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    What about Bart PE, has that evolved at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    What about Bart PE, has that evolved at all.
    Not that I aware of,, that project has ended and was for XP only.

    The other project to check out is WinBuilder. I am not s huge fan of it, but could get you going.

    I would recommend learning how to build a WinPE from Scratch, to understand how it is done.
    I have not played with Windows Live OS's in a long time.

    WinBuilder - reboot.pro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    What is it that Win8 Can Not do that Win7 can?

    I am sorry, I haven't found a single thing that I can not do in 8 that I could do in 7. Not one single solitary thing.
    All of my software and hardware work just fine, not one single issue with that.

    I haven't heard of anyone being critical of Windows 8 for what it can do, only what it doesn't do.
    Note that I did not say 'can't do', I said what it doesn't do.

    First and foremost, as so many people have stated, it doesn't do desktop satisfactorily without third party intervention. An easy fix, but questionable as to why it had to be this way.

    Secondly, the apps side doesn't do desktop very well. While the apps screen is fine on a phone and a tablet, on a large desktop monitor/s, it fails to impress.

    Thirdly: Greater versatility with the apps (sizing and positioning) would have sent many a desktop user (and reviewer) into raptures.

    Your immediate response of shoot first and don't listen to people's concerns is always going to have you frothing prematurely.
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    Ray is right.

    The marketing is back to front.

    Everyone must know you release the flagship before the holiday buying season - not after.

    I had heard reports of how little interest there was at launch events and in store in general. ( UK).

    When I checked it out myself - I was surprised , interest in w8 machines in big Oxford St stores is almost non existent.

    Plenty of people playing with Macbooks ( even though they were down a bit on last year ).

    Hard to find a soul who is interested in even approaching the w8 stuff.

    Given it is new - and the gigantic above the line spend, you would expect people to at least look.

    Might be the effect of the bad reviews. They were the result of MS decision to rip code out and force start screen on desktop users. That was probably not a good idea.

    Might also be they look so awful. They all have the same dull start screen showing. Perhaps if they all had the desktop showing , they might attract a peek from a few folk.
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    Yes, I fully agree they really did screw the marketing on releasing WinRT first,, that really was a stupid idea.
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    It might be irrelevant to you.

    We all use our machines and o/s in different ways for different things.

    It is again the result of MS eviscerating the thing to force that start screen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Try running w 8 explorer in pe.

    When you have given up -then use w7 explorer instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    What is it that Win8 Can Not do that Win7 can?

    I am sorry, I haven't found a single thing that I can not do in 8 that I could do in 7. Not one single solitary thing.
    All of my software and hardware work just fine, not one single issue with that.
    That is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Ray is right.

    The marketing is back to front.

    Everyone must know you release the flagship before the holiday buying season - not after.

    I had heard reports of how little interest there was at launch events and in store in general. ( UK).

    When I checked it out myself - I was surprised , interest in w8 machines in big Oxford St stores is almost non existent.

    Plenty of people playing with Macbooks ( even though they were down a bit on last year ).

    Hard to find a soul who is interested in even approaching the w8 stuff.

    Given it is new - and the gigantic above the line spend, you would expect people to at least look.

    Might be the effect of the bad reviews. They were the result of MS decision to rip code out and force start screen on desktop users. That was probably not a good idea.

    Might also be they look so awful. They all have the same dull start screen showing. Perhaps if they all had the desktop showing , they might attract a peek from a few folk.
    Funny, I was in a store a couple of days ago and people were stomping over each other to buy Windows 8 Notebooks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Yes, I fully agree they really did screw the marketing on releasing WinRT first,, that really was a stupid idea.
    Or it could be just as stupid as taking the Start Menu out of Windows 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Yes, I fully agree they really did screw the marketing on releasing WinRT first,, that really was a stupid idea.
    Or it could be just as stupid as taking the Start Menu out of Windows 8.
    Nah, that's just a knee jerk reactionary defense mechanism to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Yes, I fully agree they really did screw the marketing on releasing WinRT first,, that really was a stupid idea.
    Or it could be just as stupid as taking the Start Menu out of Windows 8.
    Nah, that's just a knee jerk reactionary defense mechanism to change.
    Lets put it this way, if MS put the Start Menu back in, who would have gone to metro.

    Or if they'd bought Surface Pro out first who'd go back to a cut down version.
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