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  1. #331


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    Stick around Teerex,

    We need sensible observant commentators. Unfortunately, some leave because they can't be bothered wasting their breath.


    Quote Originally Posted by Teerex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Teerex View Post
    Office 2013 should've been reimagined™ for touch from the get go. On the desktop, Word, Powerpoint, Outlook should've been at least ergonomically touchable. They are disastrous on Surface Pro.
    Now it's too late, and it's a classic example of Microsoft divisions going each in its own direction.
    Using Internet Explorer, you can go to Bing Weather, Outlook.com and others along with third party sites to see third party ads. Some concept. Complaining about adds within free apps that come preinstalled on an operating system that you bought is the very same as complaining about ads on websites that you browse in your free web browser built into the operating system you bought.

    And hate to break it to you, Office 2013 was rebuilt for touch... 1
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    Also, Office 2013 doesn't come preinstalled on the Surface Pro, it's on RT.

    If you'd read what you quoted, you would have found out that I was writing about Surface Pro, and I mentioned Outlook (the application) which is not available on Surface RT at all. That touch rebuild of Office should be rebuilt again, because it doesn't work well or look right, especially on Surface Pro. Look it up, see Paul Thurott for example.
    Surface Pro does include an one month trial subscription to Office 365 Home Premium, allow me to inform you.

    Second, web apps are not the same thing as installed apps. They are not the same, period. Apples and oranges.

    Third, Apple could afford not becoming polished and big quickly because they were first, they established the market. Microsoft is a latecomer and doesn't have that luxury.

    Fourth, those applications you mentioned are not installed through the App store and Microsoft doesn't receive a cut. They cannot be used on ARM, but they could've been (and were) sold in the Store just as well if Windows 8 did not exist at all. What is the point of its existence then?
    Fifth, four months are enough to show a general tendency, and it iz fizzly.
    Finally, since you seem to insist on being condescending1, teaching me things I know and generally treating me like I'm some idiot you are divinely entitled to put in his place, without even properly reading my posts first, I see no point in continuing this dialogue with you.

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    "They've told us that they would rather deal with the occasional supply shortage than have us change their whiskey," he said.
    It seems they are going to respond to what their customers want. As it should be. Good luck to them.

    This whining word is derogatory and inaccurate. It is perfectly right and proper that customers state what they expect the seller to provide.
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  3. #333


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teerex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Teerex View Post
    Office 2013 should've been reimagined™ for touch from the get go. On the desktop, Word, Powerpoint, Outlook should've been at least ergonomically touchable. They are disastrous on Surface Pro.
    Now it's too late, and it's a classic example of Microsoft divisions going each in its own direction.
    Using Internet Explorer, you can go to Bing Weather, Outlook.com and others along with third party sites to see third party ads. Some concept. Complaining about adds within free apps that come preinstalled on an operating system that you bought is the very same as complaining about ads on websites that you browse in your free web browser built into the operating system you bought.

    And hate to break it to you, Office 2013 was rebuilt for touch... 1
    Attachment 16721
    Attachment 16723
    Also, Office 2013 doesn't come preinstalled on the Surface Pro, it's on RT.

    If you'd read what you quoted, you would have found out that I was writing about Surface Pro, and I mentioned Outlook (the application) which is not available on Surface RT at all. That touch rebuild of Office should be rebuilt again, because it doesn't work well or look right, especially on Surface Pro. Look it up, see Paul Thurott for example.
    Surface Pro does include an one month trial subscription to Office 365 Home Premium, allow me to inform you.

    Second, web apps are not the same thing as installed apps. They are not the same, period. Apples and oranges.

    Third, Apple could afford not becoming polished and big quickly because they were first, they established the market. Microsoft is a latecomer and doesn't have that luxury.

    Fourth, those applications you mentioned are not installed through the App store and Microsoft doesn't receive a cut. They cannot be used on ARM, but they could've been (and were) sold in the Store just as well if Windows 8 did not exist at all. What is the point of its existence then?
    Fifth, four months are enough to show a general tendency, and it iz fizzly.
    Finally, since you seem to insist on being condescending1, teaching me things I know and generally treating me like I'm some idiot you are divinely entitled to put in his place, without even properly reading my posts first, I see no point in continuing this dialogue with you.
    Since you didn't realize this, I was mentioning Office 2013 installed on my desktop PC, running Windows 8 Pro. Even with an RT tablet, Office with touch works perfectly well. Nothing disastrous there. It's been reviewed elsewhere by other people that are even apple followers, that find that Office 2013 on a Windows 8 tablet works real nicely. One person's view of what works obviously isn't the next person, just take a look at this forum.

    Those are EXACTLY what the Bing apps are, nothing more than web apps that take internet information and put them into an app form that get preinstalled with Windows 8, they're just there. This is LITERALLY like preinstalled apps on ios or android.

    Ummm, Microsoft was actually the first to develop the tablet PC form factor back with Windows 3.11 and again with Windows xp. apple did nothing more other than take an ipod touch, blow it by a factor of four, and sell it as a revolutionary device and people, mostly older folk, bought into it because it's apple and it's a bigger touchscreen.

    Four months doesn't show anything. If four months would had shown anything, the ipad would had been a device no one wanted, the iphone was something too new for people to be really into, and MANY other things that took more than a few months to develop. It's incredibly brash to decide on something on such a short amount of time, almost arrogant.

    And also, if I came across as condescending, ok, my bad. But if you think I'm treating you like an idiot, you should really read back and tell me where and why that came across because from what I recollect, all I ever did was point out the facts and point out the obvious that to me, seemed to not be understood.
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    And unfortunately, it's things like this that don't help one bit: Ask LH: What Are The Best Apps For A Student? | Lifehacker Australia.

    Something missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    That's right,,, 4 Months, only 4. Not years, not 1 year, not 4 years, 4 Months.
    Let's see anyone here do anything better in 4 Months. Ha, right. Wow, 4 Months.
    The difference that I see is overall excitement. Lots of people go bonkers over the latest Apple gizmo, people go crazy over small subtle updates. But with surface, it seems like a "yeah, so what" result. The advertising has been abysmal, I don't hear people saying, "zomg, I gotta have that". Most people could not even tell you that there is an RT version and a pro version..note could they tell you what the difference is. But there are hundreds of thousands of people in a virtual line to get the new IOS inbox app, and I am seeing people rave about it on Facebook, etc. Somehow people are excited. That is what is missing here, and I don't think more time is going to fix the problem.

    With a mass exodus away from pc's, and a switch to Android and IOS devices, it seems like the market has clearly spoken that they can and want to run on lower cost tablet style devices. PC and laptop sales are down, MacBook sales are down, people even speculate that the pc is dead. But oddly enough, Microsoft has come to the table with "another PC". I'm just not convinced that there is success here. I think they have developed something solid on paper that consumers more or less don't want, our at least the majority of consumers don't want.



    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot
    Ummm, Microsoft was actually the first to develop the tablet PC form factor back with Windows 3.11 and again with Windows xp. apple did nothing more other than take an ipod touch, blow it by a factor of four, and sell it as a revolutionary device and people, mostly older folk, bought into it because it's apple and it's a bigger touchscreen.
    MS might have taken the first stab at it, but with no real success.

    Apple developed an ecosystem. The #1 product is not the iPod, or iPhone, or iPad...it is iTunes and the Apple store. This is precisely the reason that they were wildly successful with a blown up iPhone. People didn't care about what it was, they cared about what it did and it worked with the stuff they already had and they didn't have to learn anything new.

    And as far as older folk buying into it, you must be talking about those people what,,, 20 and up?

    And in 4 months, the iPhone and iPad had made it. People were frantic to get their hands on it. The media was in love. Sure, they didn't have the full app experience, but they were.desired, lusted after and wanted. They did what other companies have failed at doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And unfortunately, it's things like this that don't help one bit: Ask LH: What Are The Best Apps For A Student? | Lifehacker Australia.

    Something missing?
    What doesn't help Ray?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And unfortunately, it's things like this that don't help one bit: Ask LH: What Are The Best Apps For A Student? | Lifehacker Australia.

    Something missing?
    What doesn't help Ray?

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    So that you don't miss-construe:

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  8. #338


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    That's right,,, 4 Months, only 4. Not years, not 1 year, not 4 years, 4 Months.
    Let's see anyone here do anything better in 4 Months. Ha, right. Wow, 4 Months.
    The difference that I see is overall excitement. Lots of people go bonkers over the latest Apple gizmo, people go crazy over small subtle updates. But with surface, it seems like a "yeah, so what" result. The advertising has been abysmal, I don't hear people saying, "zomg, I gotta have that". Most people could not even tell you that there is an RT version and a pro version..note could they tell you what the difference is. But there are hundreds of thousands of people in a virtual line to get the new IOS inbox app, and I am seeing people rave about it on Facebook, etc. Somehow people are excited. That is what is missing here, and I don't think more time is going to fix the problem.

    With a mass exodus away from pc's, and a switch to Android and IOS devices, it seems like the market has clearly spoken that they can and want to run on lower cost tablet style devices. PC and laptop sales are down, MacBook sales are down, people even speculate that the pc is dead. But oddly enough, Microsoft has come to the table with "another PC". I'm just not convinced that there is success here. I think they have developed something solid on paper that consumers more or less don't want, our at least the majority of consumers don't want.



    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot
    Ummm, Microsoft was actually the first to develop the tablet PC form factor back with Windows 3.11 and again with Windows xp. apple did nothing more other than take an ipod touch, blow it by a factor of four, and sell it as a revolutionary device and people, mostly older folk, bought into it because it's apple and it's a bigger touchscreen.
    MS might have taken the first stab at it, but with no real success.

    Apple developed an ecosystem. The #1 product is not the iPod, or iPhone, or iPad...it is iTunes and the Apple store. This is precisely the reason that they were wildly successful with a blown up iPhone. People didn't care about what it was, they cared about what it did and it worked with the stuff they already had and they didn't have to learn anything new.

    And as far as older folk buying into it, you must be talking about those people what,,, 20 and up?

    And in 4 months, the iPhone and iPad had made it. People were frantic to get their hands on it. The media was in love. Sure, they didn't have the full app experience, but they were.desired, lusted after and wanted. They did what other companies have failed at doing.
    ZOMG, how quick we are to forget history....

    I don't know if you realize this, but it took a couple of quarters for apple to see some success with the ipad. Seriously, I remember when it first came out, the reviews were that it was nice, but didn't really have a place in everyone's already tech filled lives. This was the mainstream media we're talking about here. I remember an NBC News piece that literally stated what I just did.

    iPad gobbles up 93 percent of tablet sales in Q3 of 2010 - CSMonitor.com

    This was some of the numbers in Q3 of 2010 when it first came out, it was released I think in Q2 of 2010. The estimate? Roughly 4 million ipads sold up to that point, so about in five or so months, 4 million were sold. This at the time was good as the ipad was LEGITIMATELY a big gamble for apple (sound familiar) that ended up paying off after a good amount of time, not four months. Nowadays, it's like millions and millions being sold each quarter. Four million probably get sold every couple of weeks I bet. Just because it's apple doesn't mean people will defecate their trousers, they usually do that if it's something with the iphone as most people that do do () that already probably live on their iphones as it is, so a new inbox app is a plus.

    And also, my, my, my, do we not see the trends here. Slowly but surely, samsung as well as Microsoft are eroding away at the apple. Since 2010, more android handsets have been sold than the iphone, more people are interested in the galaxy phones than iphones. Shoot, even the Windows Phone is getting attention!

    I'm talking about people older than 30 years, most young people I've seen use their smartphones over an ipad or tablet as they must have better eyesight and coordination, or maybe don't have 500 dollars to spend on an ipod rather than a laptop PC.

    I have to wonder, what does the Surface have to do with anything? If you ask me, I've already had several friends inquire to me about that, a few others are planning on buying the Pro, and a few others I've shown the tablet to are thinking that is what they'll be buying as their next Windows PC. I have a few friends that work in electronics retail that have told me they either hear or get asked about the Surface tablets. Advertising isn't an issue when people line outside Microsoft Stores early in the morning just to snatch the few that are in stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And unfortunately, it's things like this that don't help one bit: Ask LH: What Are The Best Apps For A Student? | Lifehacker Australia.

    Something missing?
    What doesn't help Ray?

    Click image for larger version
    Problem is Ray, you've got no idea what you're talking about, those articles are up to 8 months old, some of those apps are already on Windows 8, some are on those OS because of the limited way they work, and Windows 8 has the equivalent of some or better.
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    Just stick to MPI Ray, you seem to know a lot about that.
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