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Windows 8 uncertainty blamed for decline in PC sales

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi Dark rider
    I think it's YOU who is missing the point -- those Linux users etc are NOT the typical "Normal users" and are in fact quite a small (and decreasing) subset of the whole gamut of PC users.
    Care to qualify this with some facts? I don't think you can. You don't sound like a Linux/Windows user who is talking from experience. More and more dual boot users find them using Linux more than Windows ( except perhaps in the area of AAA games made for PC) ( and there Are tons of good games that run on Linux including many AAA games either through OpenGL or Wine/Play on Linux and similar tools running Direct X) Linux is much faster and more configurable than Windows - even without using terminal commands. Linux has made it easy now to do these things, so more "normal users as you put it can do these advanced things. The idea that these users are declining, is not factual I believe - I don't know where you got that notion. Look at all the hundreds of distros and their growing popularity with Windows users (and Mac)

    These people anyway are more knowledgeable of computers in general and aren't likely to allow a "challenging OS" to put them off their purchases. Many of them are also hobbyists and probably relish the challenge in any case and a lot design and custom build their own rigs.
    I am one of these users. Linux is not challenging or for hobbyists. That's the old Linux and does not apply anymore. It's simply different and once you learn your way around it can be as easy as any Windows version if not easier. Even for a "normal" Windows user who only wants to do mundane things with the OS like browsing the web, using email Linux can be more appealing than Windows. Here is one of these normal Windows users not a Linux power user who choose Linux over Windows in an experiment conducted by her son. This is her trying Linux - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-PTQVeCF9k This is her trying Windows 8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujmDrcKWo8

    Did you know Surface tablets with Windows 8 RT are locked down so you cant dual boot with them at all? Did you know all PC's that come preinstalled with Windows 8 on non ARM systems has UEFI and Secure Boot enabled? Even if you disable Secure Boot and have UEFI compatibility built into to your non Microsoft operating system, UEFI is so buggy that most of the time you still cannot dual boot properly. No matter how savvy a Linux user is, they cannot do anything about this until UEFI itself grows up and the firmware industry gets the bugs out. I really think your underestimating the numbers of dual boot users out there who are now shunning preinstalled Windows 8 machines due to these issues.

    What some people don't seem to realize is that the ENTIRE market for PC's as we know them (and for similar products from our favourite "Fruit company too") is for all sorts of reasons --NOT RELATED TO THE OS is declining.

    Even people like me can go for days at a time not even LOOKING at a PC -- a lot of non work stuff I need to do doesn't require the use of a full blown PC anymore -- I can even copy and Print a lot of stuff without even having the computer switched on -- just print directly to a network printer from your phone for example.
    I realize this and in fact agreed with you that this does also play a part in the decline of PC sales. Why lug a laptop around when you can do almost everything you want to do with a smart phone? Although for many people like me, I would rather the PC laptop for more power and flexibility ( I use it mostly for games I can't play on a smart phone) . I don't own a smart phone because paying for an extra service and having a scaled down laptop I don't need. It's a waste of money for me - and I can still make PC to phone phone calls from my laptop if i need to.
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  2. #272


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Windows 8 ended January with a market share just behind that of Mac OS X 10.8

    Windows 8 ekes out 2.2 percent market share | Microsoft - CNET News
    Just a few weeks and its already starting to outpace OSX, just imagine if the world economy was better.
    With M$ upping the price the economy needs to get much better than it is now.
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    BillWindows said: I think I see the problem here Ray, you're way smarter than all the people on this forum, that's why nobody understands you. It's as if you're from the Planet Kryptonite or something.

    BILL!! It was the planet Krypton!! and kryptonite weaken Superman...for SHAME Bill!!!!
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    I wonder if Bill is actually as old as he makes out to be?
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  5. #275


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Windows 8 ended January with a market share just behind that of Mac OS X 10.8

    Windows 8 ekes out 2.2 percent market share | Microsoft - CNET News
    Just a few weeks and its already starting to outpace OSX, just imagine if the world economy was better.
    With M$ upping the price the economy needs to get much better than it is now.
    That price has nothing to do with computer sales, just people upgrading their OS. The price of computers isn't going up, just the cost of upgrading.

    If anybody has missed out, too bad, I don't feel sorry for them they've had ample time to take advantage of the crazy $40 price. The people who don't want to make the move are the same people who wouldn't take the jump from XP in my opinion.

    I'm already regretting not getting 5 licences instead of just the 4, but the poor old Netbook will just have to ride it out with XP until next year, I don't use it that much anymore anyway.
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  6. #276


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    Disposable Junk


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Linux is fine bit in general it's not (and wasn't designed for that purpose) a straight OOBE. Just browse any Linux forum and there's all sorts of complex code out there for making devices work -- your average joe is never going to "Compile a kernel" in a million years.
    The "Average Joe" doesn't have to compile a kernel (that is expert work).
    How many people build their own Windows kernels?

    It's actually rare to have to compile anything (unless that "floats your boat").

    Linux Mint 14 MATE ran all of my hardware straight out of the box.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    If PC's are not selling it's absolutely 100% NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS / UEFI or whatever. There are other devices out there making for some people the whole use of a PC redundant, and those that already have PC's probably have quite decent hardware so why do they need to buy another one.

    In fact if you look at some posts on this very Forum many people have got very successfully old PENTIUM IV computers (and some even older ones) running W8 very efficiently -- probably running W8 better than the old XP / W2K systems they originally had on those computers - especially if fitted with an SSD. (You can get an SSD to connect to an IDE device - simply use SATA ==>IDE connector and connect to MOBO).

    I've myself retired 2 workstation type computers (now running purely as servers one a W2K3 server and the other a Linux SUSE one) and can't see myself back into the PC market anytime soon -- and this is NOTHING to do with windows (any version).
    It seems that the "most OEMs sell junk" school of thought is correct.

    Lenovo Proves Sky Isn't Falling by Shipping Record Number of PCs
    Lenovo Proves Sky Isn't Falling by Shipping Record Number of PCs | Maximum PC

    What you actually seem to be saying is that Phones and Tablets are just disposable junk.
    They have to be replaced every few months (unlike desktops and laptops).

    For that reason (from a business perspective) the disposable junk market is a more profitable sector.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I really don't understand where some of these stats come from -- not that useless GARTNER agency again. The reason for PC sales decline is OBVIOUS. -- Just tell me any market which has reached saturation point where new sales are anything like the initial flurry. The upgrade / replacement market is tiny usually compared with the initial growth period and how businesses fail to recognize that is just beyond me.
    Greed is the reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    To many grads doing "Business studies" out of books rather than going out and analysing what's happening in the REAL MARKET.
    Agreed.
    "Young know-nothing Turks" straight out of university.

    I used to see the same thing when I worked as an electronic repair tech.
    Most of the electronic engineers didn't actually know anything about "real world" electronics.
    They would produce circuits that couldn't possibly work and when you built them (as you had been ordered to) they didn't work.
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  7. #277


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    BillWindows said: I think I see the problem here Ray, you're way smarter than all the people on this forum, that's why nobody understands you. It's as if you're from the Planet Kryptonite or something.


    BILL!! It was the planet Krypton!! and kryptonite weaken Superman...for SHAME Bill!!!!
    Well it has been a while since I listened to Superman on the mantel radio, does that answer your question Ray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post
    Did you know Surface tablets with Windows 8 RT are locked down so you cant dual boot with them at all? Did you know all PC's that come preinstalled with Windows 8 on non ARM systems has UEFI and Secure Boot enabled? Even if you disable Secure Boot and have UEFI compatibility built into to your non Microsoft operating system, UEFI is so buggy that most of the time you still cannot dual boot properly.
    Did you know that a majority of the worlds consumer population don't care? People have been preaching Linux for ages and how it was going to take over desktops and it hasn't. Even OSX in it's young existence and available on expensive hardware has more market share than Linux. If your average consumer wants Linux they'll buy a laptop or desktop running Linux, they're not going to get into dual booting scenarios. Lastly, you realize that the Surface RT is a Microsoft tablet? I'd argue that they have every right to only allow RT to run on THEIR hardware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post

    Did you know that a majority of the worlds consumer population don't care? People have been preaching Linux for ages and how it was going to take over desktops and it hasn't. Even OSX in it's young existence and available on expensive hardware has more market share than Linux. If your average consumer wants Linux they'll buy a laptop or desktop running Linux, they're not going to get into dual booting scenarios. Lastly, you realize that the Surface RT is a Microsoft tablet? I'd argue that they have every right to only allow RT to run on THEIR hardware.
    Who cares about the majority. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of Windows/Linux users that do put a dent in sales. Just making the case a percentage of lost sales come from these people disenchanted with Microsoft's new systems.

    ER.. no.. the people who use Linux most are former Mac and Windows users. A small percentage of them were only always Linux users. It is the Mac and Windows users that get exposed to Linux and decide to try it. If the become comfortable enough then they might buy a desktop with Linux on it but they most of the time were always a Windows or Mac user first. Don't belive me, just go into any large Linux conference and ask to see a show of hands of how many Linux users started off on Windows or mac. At least 3/4th of all the hands will go up.

    Personally I agree that in the case of Surface tablets that Microsoft has the right to lock out the ability for users to install other operating systems since both the hardware and software is Microsoft's. This is the same as you cannot install a new operating system for your TV, On Star navigation system or Microwave. Still this is the source of angst for many people because tablets like PC's have traditionally had the ability for a user to install other operating systems and that too accounts for lost sales of new systems. It's also fair to say a percentage of PC sales are lost to Apple. Like I said, it all adds up.
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