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Windows 8 uncertainty blamed for decline in PC sales

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I can literally list several issues I don't prefer in Windows 8 and would like to see changed. No one is saying it's perfect and has no issues, OTHER THAN issues in how people use it ineffectively.
    What exactly does 'ineffectively' mean?

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    rushing out the RT is akin to rushing out Vista; you only get one chance at a first impression.
    What about when Apple rushes out something like the iPhone 5, Purple haze, rattles, screen glitches, WiFi dropouts, scratches on the cheaply made aluminium body, over heating and light leaks.

    For some reason the whole world seems to ignore that, and write stories like, This is the phone we've been waiting for.

    What about the iPad Mini, worst little piece of rubbish ever made, slow, almost impossible to read while browsing the web, and again with continual WiFi dropouts. Again they come out and say this little horror is the best device on the planet.

    It wouldn't matter if Microsoft or RIM or Nokia came out with something that could fly you to the moon, the press would find something wrong with it.
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    You don't justify a product's failures by pointing out the failures of other's products; just like you don't sell a product by putting down your competition's products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I can literally list several issues I don't prefer in Windows 8 and would like to see changed. No one is saying it's perfect and has no issues, OTHER THAN issues in how people use it ineffectively.
    What exactly does 'ineffectively' mean?
    There's reverting to start menu replacements versus learning or figuring out that one can pin pretty much EVERYTHING the start menu had and more. There's using the metro apps that don't do too much instead of the user's original software, such as Zune or iTunes or Media Player or Media Center or VLC player over the Xbox Music app. There's not changing program defaults to use certain software, like Desktop apps, over the apps and complain about it being inferior. There's also the notion that it seems that one has to work either in the Desktop or the immersive environment versus both. Right now, I'm typing this in the Desktop version of IE as I chose to have it set to that when I opened a hyperlink from Outlook. I would normally do it in the immersive IE. I have music playing in the Music Info app and I can easily work between the two just fine.

    Then there's just killing everything new and different in the UI of Windows 8 and plastering it with Windows 7's UI style....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    You don't justify a product's failures by pointing out the failures of other's products; just like you don't sell a product by putting down your competition's products.
    That's actually how you sell a product....

    You point out your competitor's product flaws to demonstrate how your company's product solves those flaws for a justifiable higher or lower price. That is literally Salesmanship 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    You don't justify a product's failures by pointing out the failures of other's products; just like you don't sell a product by putting down your competition's products.
    That's actually how you sell a product....

    You point out your competitor's product flaws to demonstrate how your company's product solves those flaws for a justifiable higher or lower price. That is literally Salesmanship 101.
    Good marketing points out why your product is superior, without bagging the opposition's product. You can point out things that the opposition's product may lack, but you don't say it's crap because it doesn't have a feature/s. Suggesting an opposition's product has flaws is the same as saying it's a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    There's reverting to start menu replacements versus learning or figuring out that one can pin pretty much EVERYTHING the start menu had and more. There's using the metro apps that don't do too much instead of the user's original software, such as Zune or iTunes or Media Player or Media Center or VLC player over the Xbox Music app. There's not changing program defaults to use certain software, like Desktop apps, over the apps and complain about it being inferior. There's also the notion that it seems that one has to work either in the Desktop or the immersive environment versus both. Right now, I'm typing this in the Desktop version of IE as I chose to have it set to that when I opened a hyperlink from Outlook. I would normally do it in the immersive IE. I have music playing in the Music Info app and I can easily work between the two just fine.

    Then there's just killing everything new and different in the UI of Windows 8 and plastering it with Windows 7's UI style....
    The fact that people like to do things differently, does not make their choices ineffective. The fact that people modify what Microsoft has forced onto people indicates that, to them, Microsoft's way is ineffective for their way of working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    You don't justify a product's failures by pointing out the failures of other's products; just like you don't sell a product by putting down your competition's products.
    That's actually how you sell a product....

    You point out your competitor's product flaws to demonstrate how your company's product solves those flaws for a justifiable higher or lower price. That is literally Salesmanship 101.
    Good marketing points out why your product is superior, without bagging the opposition's product. You can point out things that the opposition's product may lack, but you don't say it's crap because it doesn't have a feature/s. Suggesting an opposition's product has flaws is the same as saying it's a failure.
    No, you don't say it's crap.

    In this case, when you spend over 1,000 dollars on an ipad to use it a like a laptop PC and can't even transfer a Word document through physical media, like a USB flash drive or even a microSD card, it's flawed product. When you can't take a smartphone and transfer photos or videos off of it to upload them quickly onto social media networks, it's a flawed product. Compare this to other tablet PCs, even the Surface RT, this is a non-issue as the hardware and software aren't limited with simpleton things.

    Personally, I know a few people that wanted to use an ipad in an educational setting, but were drawn away from it as it can't be used to connect a digital camera to and import video files and hand them off onto USB flash drives.

    Now, considering apple released the ipad as a bridge between the smartphone and the PC, this is what can be used to market and sell a Windows RT/Pro tablet. A Windows RT tablet doesn't need a third party PC to manage, it can be used with many modern devices like smartphones and wireless keyboards and external hard drives, it has some tweaking abilities through the registry editor and Computer Management, it can be rather customized if needed, it has Office productivity software that is the DEFINITION of what most other replacements go after, it can use NFC sharing with smartphones that support it, it can present relevant information faster through the use of live tiles, it simply isn't hindered compared to the ipad (referencing the Surface RT), and for the same price. Now, if this were a Windows Pro tablet, you can even plug your ipad into the tablet PC to pull videos off your external hard drive, and even pull photos and other media from the ipad onto the Windows 8 Pro tablet itself as well as the external hard drive, for a slightly higher and justifiable price than the ipad.

    I'm sold.
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    But yet, you have not bought a surface tablet, nor have many others. Meanwhile ipads are selling well and everybody seems to still love them..at least those who aren't die-hard Windows fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    But yet, you have not bought a surface tablet, nor have many others. Meanwhile ipads are selling well and everybody seems to still love them..at least those who aren't die-hard Windows fans.
    No, because I don't need one right now. I know BMWs are great cars, but never have driven one or own one. I knew Windows Phone was FAR better than android or ios even before I held one in my hands.

    I just know things.
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