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Windows 8 uncertainty blamed for decline in PC sales

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    I had no problems with Vista either, but many did, ergo it's reputation. We know some here love Windows 8 like their first born babe, but then again, many don't. Some here seem to have a love of Microsoft that appears almost unhealthy, but such is life.

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  2. #212


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I had no problems with Vista either, but many did, ergo it's reputation. We know some here love Windows 8 like their first born babe, but then again, many don't. Such is life.
    Vista certainly earned that reputation when it first came out. Hardware wasn't sufficient, third parties weren't ready, and it was a big change. Over time, and especially after SP1 the product was much better..so for those who came around a little later, I'm sure it seemed like the techies were being unfair...but once the damage was done, it was hard to repair.

    Personally I skipped Vista, never ran it on my own desktop at home, never on a work computer..I just stuck with XP. Moved to Windows 7 almost instantly. Now, my wife has laptop with Vista and it had been just fine. No real problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I had no problems with Vista either, but many did, ergo it's reputation. We know some here love Windows 8 like their first born babe, but then again, many don't. Some here seem to have a love of Microsoft that appears almost unhealthy, but such is life.
    I hope you're not referring to me, because I've told you all the gear I've got, well nearly all. But I do admit to liking Windows 8 a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Let's hope Windows 8 1st, or later, birthdays aren't remembered in this way:

    Our big boy Windows Vista is turning six today, and like any proud, overbearing and slightly embarrassing parent, we want to give a little speech. Only, in this case, we want to remind you just why Vista was a godforsaken OS with more design flaws than the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Happy Birthday, buddy.
    Happy Birthday Vista! Here’s Why You Sucked | Gizmodo Australia

    However, there are some worrying similarities.
    Ugh...vista!

    It was cool for the first two weeks, until every thing you started to use would prompt the cool new This program is not responding, and gave you a few options on what to do with it. I thought it was cool, but after the 15th, it stopped being cool. The sound scheme I thought was nice, but that was until I came across the vista beta 2 sound scheme. Wow, that would had been overly beautiful for vista!

    Honestly, there are a few similarities to vista and 8 such as the old UI crap that was encountered if you dug past the Control Panel and into Computer Management and such. Instead, this is more the Start Screen and metro with the vestige of Aero past on the Desktop. This I have yet to understand. They had three years to redesign a whole Windows UI, kept focus on one aspect of it, but never redesigned the other aspect of it to match the new. I don't mind the Aero iconography so much, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE GONE!!! Microsoft should had put emphasis on putting the new metro animations and design into the Desktop at least.

    Other than sucking the life out your PC, I recently came to the conclusion why Microsoft REALLY wants to abolish that memory: the Windows upgrade cycle. vista screwed it up HARD. We're here in 2013 discussing if Windows being updated every two years is viable. Guess what? Microsoft already had plans of a biannual Windows with a Windows version possibly every year or so as a stopgap for the next new version. After Windows 95 came 98. After 98, 2000/ME. Two years. 2000/ME to Xp, one year. Projected release of Windows Longhorn/vista? 2003, two years after xp. I believe what would had been Windows 7 (Blackcomb was the codename?) was most likely be released in 2005. If that had happened, Windows 8 would had been released in 2007, Windows 9 in 2009, and right now we'd be at Windows 10 awaiting 11. Possibly and theoretically, Microsoft could had released a new Windows version a year after the last, like 2000 to xp as they were on the same NT kernel build and added some improvements, kind of like what Windows Blue might be. vista screwed that up hardcore and it took until Windows 8 to get that back on track. The notion that Microsoft released a new version of Windows every two to three years I think stems from the vista failure and before Windows 98 were Windows was updated every few or more years.

    That article also mentioned that if they had skipped vista, it would had been better retrospectively, I disagree with that. Windows xp until 2009? A security riddled OS with a goofy, cheesy, plasticky looking thing? That wouldn't had been acceptable to anyone, and would had possibly opened the door to apple, or even Linux, to take a big chunk of the PC marketshare as the consumer market would had really labeled the Windows PC as junk. That would also caused a big change in the UI and would need training to mitigate the learning curve.
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    And that's also true, OEMs weren't building PCs properly to run the bloody OS. Microsoft is kind of pointing some blame at OEMs for not building good touch enabled PCs to run the new Windows UI. Freaking OEMs....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Let's hope Windows 8 1st, or later, birthdays aren't remembered in this way:

    Our big boy Windows Vista is turning six today, and like any proud, overbearing and slightly embarrassing parent, we want to give a little speech. Only, in this case, we want to remind you just why Vista was a godforsaken OS with more design flaws than the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Happy Birthday, buddy.
    Happy Birthday Vista! Here’s Why You Sucked | Gizmodo Australia

    However, there are some worrying similarities.

    Elements, some people need to see a therapist over their thing for Windows XP. They clearly have never experienced the worst of XP- an operating system shouldn't be the component failing on a computer. And UAC stops crap from auto-installing on your computer, and hell if you've ever lived with a computer inept, its walls protect your computer from sheer disaster. The games thing was irritating but Vista was not the worst OS in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allison View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Let's hope Windows 8 1st, or later, birthdays aren't remembered in this way:

    Our big boy Windows Vista is turning six today, and like any proud, overbearing and slightly embarrassing parent, we want to give a little speech. Only, in this case, we want to remind you just why Vista was a godforsaken OS with more design flaws than the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Happy Birthday, buddy.
    Happy Birthday Vista! Here’s Why You Sucked | Gizmodo Australia

    However, there are some worrying similarities.

    Elements, some people need to see a therapist over their thing for Windows XP. They clearly have never experienced the worst of XP- an operating system shouldn't be the component failing on a computer. And UAC stops crap from auto-installing on your computer, and hell if you've ever lived with a computer inept, its walls protect your computer from sheer disaster. The games thing was irritating but Vista was not the worst OS in the world.
    Hi there
    It shows though what even Ms thought of their own OS.

    XP -SP3 and even the excellent but little used XP-64 bit version is still available on TechNet, as is W7 and W8. Even Windows 3.11 can be downloaded if you want to try it in a VM -- on a 64 bit machine you'll have to create a vm "Dos Box" to run it in though and some 16 bit pgms might not work properly -- but you can have fun with it.

    VISTA AFAIK never appeared on TechNet even during its currency as the currently shipped OS.

    W8 will be fine --the learning curve isn't that horrible -- what does deserve to die though are those wretched full screen Metro apps - most people I know - especially if they are using multiple monitors have several concurrent tasks running in various windows all visible at the same time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    That article also mentioned that if they had skipped vista, it would had been better retrospectively, I disagree with that. Windows xp until 2009? A security riddled OS with a goofy, cheesy, plasticky looking thing? That wouldn't had been acceptable to anyone, and would had possibly opened the door to apple, or even Linux, to take a big chunk of the PC marketshare as the consumer market would had really labeled the Windows PC as junk. That would also caused a big change in the UI and would need training to mitigate the learning curve.
    I guess that you are unaware that W7 only recently overtook XP's market share (2011).
    Windows 7 overtakes Windows XP global share | ZDNet
    Windows 7 overtakes XP - finally ? The Register
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    Nothing new there, it's what I and others here have been saying from the outset. RT is a lame duck and should have come out after 8 (if ever) and the interface should have been far better implemented. Everything that is good about Windows 8 is being dragged down by dumb design and marketing decisions. However, the usual crowd will say everything is perfect with Windows 8 and people are too stupid to use it.
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