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    I'm not actually sure why I'm doing this, but I suspect that you're trying to get me so riled up that I make a fatal error and end up in the banned bin. That said, if it looks like a tablet, then it's a tablet. What it can do is another thing, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a tablet as far as nomenclature is concerned.

    A car is a car; the engineering configuration is ostensibly identical, only the design can vary. What it's designed to do and what it is capable of doing is a completely different issue.

    A shoe is a shoe, the anatomical requirements are fundamentally similar, though the design can vary wildly. A shoe is primarily designed to enclose, protect and support the foot, but it's specific purpose and functionality can vary from fashion statement to safety component, with varying degrees of success (often depending on taste or design).

    Let's compare the Surface Pro to shoes, that should be fun.

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  2. #142


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    So, we tend to put things in one box, and regardless of if they should be categorized differently based on further criteria? Then what.

    as far as getting anyone riled up,
    I am not trying to do anything of the sort, my points are quite clear and concise. I don't generalize in such confined categories and then base my decision on that one category (tablets in this case), There is not one general category, they can not all be looked at the same and then make such broad sweeping statements as, "No one would pay 800+ dollars for a tablet", yes they would if the features are there to warrant it.

    And you know, people have paid $1000 for PS3's and Xbox when they first released, so...... why not?
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    You certainly are an avid champion for the Microsoft Surface Pro tablet. It's almost as if you had a vested interest in the product. The average pundit might be led to accuse you of being a shill for Microsoft. Not accusing you of such, but just saying.
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    I'll interject. A certain form factor is referred to as a tablet. The performance and capability of each tablet can, and will vary dramatically. If a manufacturer prefers to call it by another name, people may well continue to refer to it as a tablet because it fits the form factor. The surface still maintains the form factor referred to as a tablet. A Lamborghini Murcielago and a Ford Fiesta are both automobiles, even if they are not comparable. A Guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
    I'll interject. A certain form factor is referred to as a tablet. The performance and capability of each tablet can, and will vary dramatically. If a manufacturer prefers to call it by another name, people may well continue to refer to it as a tablet because it fits the form factor. The surface still maintains the form factor referred to as a tablet. A Lamborghini Murcielago and a Ford Fiesta are both automobiles, even if they are not comparable. A Guy
    Those are all cars, but different types of car; sports/super car and economical respectively. A Surface Pro tablet PC and a desktop PC. Two different things, but still a PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
    I'll interject. A certain form factor is referred to as a tablet. The performance and capability of each tablet can, and will vary dramatically. If a manufacturer prefers to call it by another name, people may well continue to refer to it as a tablet because it fits the form factor. The surface still maintains the form factor referred to as a tablet. A Lamborghini Murcielago and a Ford Fiesta are both automobiles, even if they are not comparable. A Guy
    Those are all cars, but different types of car; sports/super car and economical respectively. A Surface Pro tablet PC and a desktop PC. Two different things, but still a PC.
    I'm missing your point? You are agreeing with me? Even if you want to call it a tablet PC it is still a tablet, right?

    I think some are taking tablet as a derogative term. They think, "An iPad is a tablet, and it can't do anything I want to do, so calling this new device a tablet, when it runs full windows apps, etc. is an insult". We're talking about the form factor, not the capabilities. A Guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
    I'll interject. A certain form factor is referred to as a tablet. The performance and capability of each tablet can, and will vary dramatically. If a manufacturer prefers to call it by another name, people may well continue to refer to it as a tablet because it fits the form factor. The surface still maintains the form factor referred to as a tablet. A Lamborghini Murcielago and a Ford Fiesta are both automobiles, even if they are not comparable. A Guy
    Those are all cars, but different types of car; sports/super car and economical respectively. A Surface Pro tablet PC and a desktop PC. Two different things, but still a PC.
    I'm missing your point? You are agreeing with me? Even if you want to call it a tablet PC it is still a tablet, right?

    I think some are taking tablet as a derogative term. They think, "An iPad is a tablet, and it can't do anything I want to do, so calling this new device a tablet, when it runs full windows apps, etc. is an insult". We're talking about the form factor, not the capabilities. A Guy
    The point I'm trying to make is that I see a flaw with your car metaphor. Yes, those two are still cars, but they're different in different respects. But I call a tablet PC a tablet PC, because the PC part is what makes that device better than the others. Yes, physically, tablets are mostly the same with obvious hardware differences. Software wise, that's where the differences are PLENTIFUL. That's where the distinction comes in and partly what Microsoft is redefining as the definition of a tablet, it shouldn't be running an impotent OS.

    Personally, I think the term phablet is more derogatory towards the ipad and android based tablets. They are literally based off a smartphone's operating system, blown up to size, and sold to the masses. I've never wanted my phone to be bigger and not make phone calls and can't fit in my pocket. Phablet should be the term for the ipad and android tablets, tablet PC should be used for Windows 8 powered devices. It's that PC part that makes the difference, like a laptop PC or desktop PC. Those two form factors can do many things software wise, as well as hardware wise, but you're not going to be calling a chromebook a laptop PC when it's not.
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  8. #148


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    We are talking about capabilities. that's the rub.
    Form factor is fine, but when all you concider is form factor ONLY, that is where you make broad generlized mistakes in referring to what one would pay for something.

    It's like the car, would you pay $120,000 for a ford fiesta? Well Maybe,, let's rephrase,, would you pay $120,000 for a Stock Ford Fiesta
    Ahh and there is the rub again. I had to define the automobile even further to phrase the question/statement properly. Otherwise....

    "People would not pay $120,000+ for a car. Is there anything wrong with that?"

    Yes, there is, define what i am getting for that money.....

    and let me add, that if we were talking about Linux, which we very easily could,, maybe, I would be saying the same things in regards to it if it provided the same types of possibilities in what you can do with it. This isn't about just Windows 8 or Surface.

    note: BTW A Guy, you are right, we side stepped the form factor part of the discussion. But, the term Tablet has been redefined as an iPad or Android. It can be easily studied by asking people to describe a tablet in one word, would they say PC or Computer? Some yes, many, no.

    Tablet PC might be a better term to use. The industry and (and maybe people like us) will have to make that distinction.
    And that, there is nothing wrong with.
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  9. #149


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Personally, I think the term phablet is more derogatory towards the ipad and android based tablets. They are literally based off a smartphone's operating system, blown up to size, and sold to the masses. I've never wanted my phone to be bigger and not make phone calls and can't fit in my pocket. Phablet should be the term for the ipad and android tablets, tablet PC should be used for Windows 8 powered devices. It's that PC part that makes the difference, like a laptop PC or desktop PC. Those two form factors can do many things software wise, as well as hardware wise, but you're not going to be calling a chromebook a laptop PC when it's not.
    Then why should I like Windows 8 when it turns my desktop it into giant 23" Windows 8 phone UI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Personally, I think the term phablet is more derogatory towards the ipad and android based tablets. They are literally based off a smartphone's operating system, blown up to size, and sold to the masses. I've never wanted my phone to be bigger and not make phone calls and can't fit in my pocket. Phablet should be the term for the ipad and android tablets, tablet PC should be used for Windows 8 powered devices. It's that PC part that makes the difference, like a laptop PC or desktop PC. Those two form factors can do many things software wise, as well as hardware wise, but you're not going to be calling a chromebook a laptop PC when it's not.
    Then why should I like Windows 8 when it turns my desktop it into giant 23" Windows 8 phone UI?
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    This looks an awful lot like this?
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    If we were to think in that line of thought...
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    Why is a Desktop UI on smartphones?

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