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Windows 8's uptake falls behind Vista's pace

  1. #61


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    and this year is going to see even worse in that realm.

    Still, for those in the market to buy and can afford, They should not waste money on fruit when the steak is a whole lot better.

    One other thing over looked though is what will be offered, really, in specifically Touchscreen hardware as far as the Win8 Pro Tablets go. The other hardware seems to be adequate.

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  2. #62


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
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    Or mac os...
    But those who like their Mac OS don't seem to be switching over to Windows. And I'd say there are still a larger percentage of Windows users who are considering going to Mac than their are Mac users who have been blown away by Windows 8.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Every now and then I come back here to see if anything has changed, nothing, I cannot believe you guys are still talking about a power button, a start menu and Aero. No wonder Microsoft is having a hard time, I'm off for another break, wake me up when you're all happy. How long since the first preview came out.

    Meanwhile I'll be enjoying Windows 8 on my two computers, soon to be three.
    It's great to see some really enjoying Windows 8. Unfortunately, I think it's far from the norm though. I'm surprised that you are surprised that people are still irritated by the things removed in Windows 8. Why would you expect the dissenters to be on-board at this point with this OS? I don't find Windows 8 hard to use, I can do most things I want without trouble now. The issue is, i just don't like doing it the way that it is currently set up. Plain and simple, using it annoys me.
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  3. #63


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    If Windows 8 was truly a great Operating System, it wouldn't be necessary for MS fanbois to have to convince me of it's greatness. Nobody had to tell me that Windows 7 was great, it was that obvious.
    Actually, no one has seen the true potential of Windows 8, no one.

    1.) we don't have Win8 Pro Tablets floating around yet in the mainstream.
    But the potential to be a very good full blown laptop replacement is really really really high, and a of those Mac jumpers may just regret the purchase when they find that some companies don't support Personal Mac systems (at all) the way they do Windows PC's (albeit on a limited level).

    2.) Store Apps have not fully matured yet. But they will.

    Here is a point to make if you really want to drive it home and no one is talking much about.
    How about finding one of these new tablets and loading Win7 on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    If Windows 8 was truly a great Operating System, it wouldn't be necessary for MS fanbois to have to convince me of it's greatness. Nobody had to tell me that Windows 7 was great, it was that obvious.
    Actually, no one has seen the true potential of Windows 8, no one.

    1.) we don't have Win8 Pro Tablets floating around yet in the mainstream.
    But the potential to be a very good full blown laptop replacement is really really really high, and a of those Mac jumpers may just regret the purchase when they find that some companies don't support Personal Mac systems (at all) the way they do Windows PC's (albeit on a limited level).

    2.) Store Apps have not fully matured yet. But they will.

    Here is a point to make if you really want to drive it home and no one is talking much about.
    How about finding one of these new tablets and loading Win7 on it.
    I've been running a Windows 8 Pro tablet since I was able to purchase a licence. I've since deleted the OS and returned to Windows 7, as it really didn't provide me with anything better than Windows 7 and in some ways was less satisfying.
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  5. #65


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    I would certainly have to agree on the annoying part of 8. It was one thing to expect with any previous version once getting a clean install of Windows on you spent the time grabbing all updates and tweaking things the way you wanted them.

    With 8 however you will find there are less options which many Do complain about immediately, it takes extra steps on many simple tasks and why try to explain how 8 is not a viable option for the productive desktop, and then instead of an updated desktop gui you end with a Tablet gui thinking that is a progression for the desktop?

    Anyone who runs 8 would likely find things on their own "over time" however and not be totally lost in the shuffle. But this is also where the "annoyance" part takes a foot hold. The other annoyance for anyone looking to buy a new 8 machine is the higher prices for any with touchscreen displays which means new desktop models or laptops not Tablet which sees that automatically.

    And then one other factor as to why sales would see a slump would be a look at just who is looking to upgrade to start with. Most run whatever they have for at least 3 to 4yrs. on average with those running premade pcs even longer by simply buying upgrade disks or a new hard drive to put a newer version on. For the 3-4yr. cycle 8 is on the early side for the hold outs that go the full 4yrs. in that sense. They are not looking to do anything.

    In contrast with Vista sales you have to look back at not the hardwares and mobiles and hand helds but what other versions were already out when looking to upgrade out of XP. You either had 2000, ME, or ??? Due to the extended period of time without any new version besides XP Pro 64 and XP MCE in 2005 the next version new to come was... Vista! Whether they found they did or didn't like Vista people still immediately jumped on it since finally MS had something "New and Blue" bringing in new "Bells & Whistles"!

    Now you can imagine the reactions by many when first seeing Aero for the first time. "What is this?" A sidebar and gadgets and unfortunately not being prepared for a larger version of Windows when trying to run it on the older stuff. MS made a big goober understating what Vista needed resulting in the bad rep it got but not until after it was a somewhat seller.

    On the other 8 is bringing in "frustrations" by how things were put together at first sight for most. Besides the economic downturn now seeing a reverse direction being one cause for slump you have to get into it and run it for a time before you can like it unlike the reverse seen with Vista where people got into it first and then didn't!

    Besides stripping thing out and charging separately for a list like the MC the real work in 8 was seen not at the front end but at the core level. You have to remember MS has numerous development teams and one must have been on an extended vacation namely for the gui! "Yes but how do we keep our deadline? Mr. CEO" "Well borrow it! We spent on the RT gui for Surface. To make the desktop schedule we'll simply offer it on all editions and platforms."

    That was for the front end! The core on the other gets the boost in security besides a new look for the traditional taskmanager which remains. The registry value that controls the time it takes Windows to shutdown or restart is once again lowered from the 12000 seen for 7 down to 5000 for faster shutdown. A slightly faster boot is mostly due to an updated MinWin kernel which 7 brought in along with the "cutting the fat" out of the Windows OS by stripping it down a bit.

    For those running the older game titles where the 64bit 7 was the last to be able to see DX 9 elements installed which avoids many types of OpenGL types errors and why many older ones simply won't run the use of 7 drivers has been a help for a few while some have to go unless emulated somehow. Those and many programs would need a newer version since you have a newer version namely 8 to work with.
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  6. #66


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    If Windows 8 was truly a great Operating System, it wouldn't be necessary for MS fanbois to have to convince me of it's greatness. Nobody had to tell me that Windows 7 was great, it was that obvious.
    Actually, no one has seen the true potential of Windows 8, no one.

    1.) we don't have Win8 Pro Tablets floating around yet in the mainstream.
    Herein less the rub. I'm not yet excited about doing work on a tablet. I don't assess them as replacements for laptops or desktops, but rather as a supplemental device. While my current tablet and smartphone cannot "do it all", I feel they can do enough.

    So, when you consider my separation of tablets from these other devices, it sorta fits that I wouldn't really want the same experience or look and feel of the desktop on both of them.

    To me, a tablet is akin to driving a small car and towing a utility trailer around with you. It's good for occasional heavy lifting and works in a pinch, but for regular heavy duty use a truck is just a much better tool for this type of use.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    2.) Store Apps have not fully matured yet. But they will.
    And for those excited about these "small" specific use apps I guess that is a great thing. Personally, on a computer I'm perfectly happy and content with running Facebook and such FROM the browser...I don't have a drive and desire to have an "Application" installed to access Facebook. I can easily get my gmail from the Browser, I don't need a mail client, etc.
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  8. #68


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    Wow people are desperate to discount and deflate the Windows 8 Tablets are they?

    I mean, Win8 Pro Tablets are not even in full swing and doom is predicted by so called analysts who I can bet are...

    A.) Jumping on the band wagon to garner hits for their sites

    b.) really don't have a clue what they are talking about and just posting Win8 Articles to garner hits for their sites.

    c.) Can't see the big forest surrounding them cause of the apple on the ground they can't stop staring at as lemmings do.

    Sorry, but untill the Win8 Pro Tablets are out in full swing, these people are talking out their ***.

    Any and all articles that have anything to do with Win8 are so predictable now they are useless fud.
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  9. #69


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    I believe people will be more inclined for Windows 8 Pro tablets versus a laptop and phablet. If the tablet PC prices come down a notch, it'll be more a norm. Or, touch enabled laptops will become a norm as well. We're still seeing lots of innovation from OEMs at CES right now, like a gaming tablet and basically a giant tablet AIO PC among other things.

    And again, I find that the younger crowds will pick tablet PCs up more than the older generation. The older population is more in a traditional laptop mindset where that's the highest point of mobile PCs, whereas the younger crowds will like the notion of TRUE tablet computing over everything else as those tablet PCs are more flexible in what they can do and how.
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    But the problem is,, people equate any and all Tablets to an iPad, period.
    They have no clue or understanding, cause NO ONE explains the real difference.

    Win 8 Pro Tablet is NOT a Freaking IPAD.

    Note: frustration not directed at anyone, but the whole idea that you are going to get a Win8 Pro tablet at the price of a freaking Nook Color.
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