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Windows 8's uptake falls behind Vista's pace

  1. #51


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    I don't think Ms has anything to be worried about
    I'm not going to quote everything Jimbo but very well said. Many on these forums don't realize how big of a product portfolio MS has, several of their software products, if spun off to their own business, would be in the top 50 largest software companies. MS isn't going anywhere.

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  2. #52


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The fact that third party programs are so successful in addressing what people are seeking from the OS, is a clear indication that people are not happy with what Microsoft has delivered.
    Oh give me a break, the 'having to install 3rd party software' excuse is such a crock. That's been the case and option for Windows releases with every iteration, XP users were up in arms because their hacks to theme Windows XP didn't work in 7. They wanted MS to provide the ability to theme out of the box or make it like XP. The forums were full of complaints until Stardock provided a solution, even then people complained they shouldn't have to use 3rd party tools.
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  3. #53


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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Oh give me a break, the 'having to install 3rd party software' excuse is such a crock. That's been the case and option for Windows releases with every iteration, XP users were up in arms because their hacks to theme Windows XP didn't work in 7. They wanted MS to provide the ability to theme out of the box or make it like XP. The forums were full of complaints until Stardock provided a solution, even then people complained they shouldn't have to use 3rd party tools.
    Far from it, it's a significant indication of how people feel about the new 'start menu'. Themes are a completely different story to menus; themes are nothing but eye candy, menus are a fundamental part of how people work. It is the single biggest issue discussed by amateurs and IT professional alike, it's the elephant in the room. The fanboys can try and justify the status quo as much as they like, but it doesn't change the fact that it is the most hated aspect of Windows 8 above all else.
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  4. #54


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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgurne View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    In any case windows 8 has some good features -- such as better hardware detection, good built in security, virtual ISO handling without the need for a 3rd party application, improved code optimisation, better touch screen operation,continuous file backup (via the HISTORY feature) etc . so if you can upgrade cheaply it's probably worth a shot. If you need a Hierarchical structure because you run a lot of complex applications then it's probably wiser to stay with W7.



    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yes, no need for a 3rd party application on ISO ... but many of us now need a 3rd party application for "fixing" the desktop a little, and aero is still missing!

    No matter if Windows 8 is easier or more difficult to use, many think it is so ugly, f.i. me. "Metro" is ugly on a big monitor, and is not very well suited for a desktop PC. If you had some sort of "folder" so you could make a tile called GAMES and another tiles called OFFICE aso., you cpuld get some order in it, but as the tiles has to be so big it is just not very good or usefull IMHO. And every app has to be run fullscreen , no more a little notepad window and a calculater window to help you when working, yrf.
    Desktop view works good, but this is also very ugly with massive color-frames, no rounded corners (even XP had that) on windows, flat buttons. Why not keep this minimalistic windows as a sheme, and then let aero and other colorfull shemes be there too, so that people can CHOOSE FOR THEMSELFS!
    Same with boot, why is there a lockscreen BEFORE I can type my password, why does it HAS to boot to Metro, and not to desktop? LET PEOPLE CHOOSE THEMSELFS!

    And get the poor USB3 performance fixed, please.
    I think a pair of the largest issues most are having with 8 is the lack of options to customize things the way each wants them as well as how MS is attempting to use a mobile geared gui on several platforms which simply doesn't work for all too many with the need for any 3rd party app. The large Start screen button are avoided when simply getting that 3rd party app to run with Win 8 startup to "kill the Metro" as far as need for Start screen.

    That is looking mainly at the surface not (MS)Surface Tablet with 8 and not so much at the core level where any improvements are realized. The core is where the upgrade is actually seen while the surface is rejected for the desktop platform by many. It's a toss up of if you do or do not need the other things 8 is bringing in with it.

    Mostly the way MS went about bringing out 8 leaves people feeling as if the user has no say in anything! While those big buttons are "easy to use" most automatically find them ugly and older Windows users are baffled at what 8 looks like when first seeing but not even running 8. As to all the hand held devices now being seen and texting on phones having come in after Vista arrived that's one part of the equation you wouldn't be able to make any comparison to. It's mostly the effect on the desktop that is the turnoff.
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  5. #55


    Another reason Windows 8 is a flop along with poor computer sales they are too cheap. LOL

    PC prices must rise, not fall, to solve Windows 8's lousy start, analyst argues - Computerworld
    Last edited by labeeman; 07 Jan 2013 at 18:09.
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  6. #56


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Another reason Windows 8 is a flop along with poor computer sales they are too cheap.

    PC prices must rise, not fall, to solve Windows 8's lousy start, analyst argues - Computerworld
    That's the most deranged thing I've heard for many reasons. Laptop PCs aren't on two year contracts where you sign up for a new laptop every two years. They're durable goods that last AT LEAST four years if the hardware specs are decent. I know of several people that are still using their laptops that they bought with vista, with dual core processors, 3 or 4 gigs of RAM, and decent hard drive storage. They're either running Windows 7 or 8, a couple have replaced hard drives that failed or a battery. I think it's so stupid that analysts says that even though a new Windows release would good and hyped, PC sales still declined. Yeah, it's less costly to upgrade software than buying a new PC every few years. Such an idiotic notion that the average consumer has hundreds of dollars lying around to buy a new laptop JUST because there is a new Windows version. Gee...

    Then there is the other thing that most people that buy an i5 powered laptop/ultrabook/tablet PC today probably won't be buying a new one for several years unless if somehow they get destroyed. Most people don't require high processing demands. Some do, and even still, future software versions will probably increase efficiencies to get the most out of the hardware.

    Point is, PCs aren't like phabets or smartphones that need to be replaced biyearly because of a new OS version. android handsets do because the software is being coded like vista, it needs more powerful hardware just to operate. iphones need to be replaced every year because apple says so. A PC does NOT need to be.
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  7. #57


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    Actually Baker is right. What he and Paul are arguing is that people expect a $200 tablet to run like a $1500 Laptop.

    It is something we used to have to deal with in customers coming in looking for a $199 Special Desktop several years ago.
    We told them flat out, you don't sell junk, You can check the other guys, they may have one.

    So, they are correct, the mindset today is, "If a Win8 Pro Tablet is going to cost me 1200 to 1300, that's a rip off, I'll just go get a netbook, ipad, nook or kindle."

    What they don't realize is what you will get for the price.

    This is the crux of the argument in that article...

    Baker pinned Windows 8's inability to invigorate PC sales not so much on Microsoft, but on its OEM (original equipment manufacturer) partners who design, make and sell Windows PCs. Essentially, OEMs failed to convince enough buyers that notebooks with touch-sensitive screens -- hardware able to strut the new operating system's biggest innovation -- were worth their higher prices.
    And I agree with this, It has not yet been advertised enough or poignantly to stress what a Win8 Pro Tablet is capable of.
    But, then again, they aren't out in full swing yet wither.

    Again, going back to, cheap is good enough, but they don't know what they are missing.

    Also, OEM's need to start providing Proper Touch screens for precision for Win8 Pro, but not at a huge premium.
    This, in this economy will not go over well.

    I don't fully agree with the Prices must Rise thing just for the sake of raising prices and I think that got lost in this article a little bit,,, they need to provide better hardware and charge a little more, as well as raise their prices on the lower end stuff to make it more worth looking at the higher end stuff that people will actually get more out of.

    I don't think this is about Laptops in general, as much as it is about Touch Screen Devices, laptops or otherwise.

    With that said, I will repeat what I have said before, 2013 will be the year of touch.

    As for the iPad in general, It's not that the hardware is better or worse than any other tablet for the price they charge, it's because it has that Half Eaten Apple Cut out with a light inside, and that my friend is the coolest thing ever and worth every penny.
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  8. #58


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    It's an argument, but there is also the fact these android tablets are 200 dollars. You can run apps like word document makers! Then there's the expectation of PC capabilities in such an impotent device. Then there is a 500 dollar ipad that some claim does what a laptop can do and third parties are trying to bridge that impotent gap.

    Now enter in 800+ dollar Windows 8 tablet PCs. "It doesn't have a Facebook app or instagram! I'm not going to buy this! What a rip!" Then they go for an alternative and expect PC capabilities...

    Then enter in touch laptop PCs. "Touch isn't ergonomic and no one is going to want to reach over to touch a screen! You can buy a better laptop!" Which makes little sense. But what doesn't make sense to me is that 300 dollar laptops do exist, though low end. Low end is fine for most people. Pop in a 200 dollar touchscreen, maybe a stylus. BAM! A 500 dollar touch PC, allows the best of a tablet that needed third parties for it to act like a PC, with a laptop that handles most needs just fine. Best of both, best of what Windows 8 is. Why this concept is so difficult for OEMs to understand is beyond me. Why they think touch is reserved for such high end, expensive ultrabooks makes no sense to me. They're already expensive as is.
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    Apple was down 6%. Not as bad as windows 11% drop - but still a drop.

    How does that square with blaming oem rubbish that is going on.

    Macbooks aren't cheap - didn't help.

    However, look at their phone and pad sales - record Xmas for them.
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    The one thing no one has looked at here so far is the slumped economy and people out of work! That will hinder sales of anything new when people do not have the old $$$ to toss at the latest! And then you look at a new tablet running upwards of $1,400 and say "I can't afford to toss that much just to get the new thing when I am hardly making ends meet!"

    Earlier last year the latest Fruit company offering did however see masses in lines at retail outlets waiting to grab their own new IPxx 5 for $300 or so to have the latest and then came the holiday shopping season and suddenly... people ended up tightening the belts a bit more.
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