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Windows 8's uptake falls behind Vista's pace

  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by theveterans View Post
    Clearly, if Microsoft set the default "Desktop Mode" only (Windows 7 start menu, no Metro, no Charms bar, no side menus etc.) for devices that don't have touch capabilty and only set Metro as a default for tablets and touch screen laptops, they wouldn't be having this mess.
    If they did that most people would opt out of Metro so it would be pointless, this way people most people will be tempted from time to time and learn it while there. I think they did it the right way, but I'm not everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    If they did that most people would opt out of Metro so it would be pointless, this way people most people will be tempted from time to time and learn it while there. I think they did it the right way, but I'm not everybody.
    No offense but its also tempting a lot of people to "h8" Windows 8 instead. As thevertans said which I formally agree on, the full Desktop mode should be default for non-touch screen PCs and laptops and Metro would be the default on tablets and touch screen platforms and I think it would be better that way because each UI would be paired with their matching platforms where they were designed and intended for so in this way, there is less reason for people to "h8" Windows 8. Plus I would like to add that even though I think fusing the tablet interface on the Desktop is not a bad thing, it was just not fused in the best way it should have been and is now causing problems instead. One example is the hidden shutdown button on the Settings on the Charms bar which is a pain and we got many people who don't even know what Alt+F4 does. And the Metro UI instead needs refinement. At least add some close and minimize buttons to those Metro apps. I hope that Windows Blue would at least include those improvements..
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    Microsoft is going to what they want to do, and I doubt that they're going to focus a lot on the waning PC desktop/laptop market. Tablets and smart phones are all the rage. The major PC manufacturers are making touch-screen PCs or hybrids.

    My point is that I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope for a major change to the interface or behavior of Windows 8. It's clearly an effort to adapt to a changing marketplace - I think it's going to take some time to see how successful that effort is. Perhaps "Blue" will change some things and even be a little easier to use on a PC: at best we won't know for a while.
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    Please keep in mind that the conceptual goal ( and the ability is there in Win8) is cross platform conformity of apps and data.
    I can easily access my email (extremely easily after adding all my email accounts) on both my phone and desktop and tablet (when I had a WinRT to play with) with a single click, no logging into a browsers, or opening another email program.

    With that said, (what's the difference?),,, it is very much straight forward, there is very little rigamarole in setting it up. I didn't have to go hunting for the how to add yahoo, live.com, hotmail or others. Very simple to do. Yes, POP3 is on it's way out btw.

    That is just a simple single example, there is also Office with Skydrive, and having Office on the phone natively makes it pretty damn compelling for a lot of reasons.

    If programmers learn how to use it (Win8 coding) properly, And I think they will, you will see a pretty huge change in computing altogether.

    Take a look at EverNote as another example of what will be possible. Evernote is now every where, and can be accessed from any system is is installed on, Android, Apple, and MS, I think Linux also. If evernote is anyy example as to what MS are tryingg to acheive, but on a much bigger scale and the pull it off. Apple and Google will be left behind pretty quick.

    You all tell me this.....

    A menu/grocery/nutrition calculator/knows where all your stores are and what sales are where that you can access from a tablet sitting in your kitchen, to your bedroom, to the Desktop in the study and your phone on the go? And that is only one example.

    Not useful? uh huh.
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    "If programmers learn how to use it (Windows 8 coding) properly, And I think they will, you will see a pretty huge change in computing altogether"

    Considering they're writing on average 300 to 500 Apps per day and 700 per day before Christmas, they seem to be getting the hang of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryE View Post
    Microsoft is going to what they want to do, and I doubt that they're going to focus a lot on the waning PC desktop/laptop market. Tablets and smart phones are all the rage. The major PC manufacturers are making touch-screen PCs or hybrids.
    It's hardly a waning desktop/laptop market, it's simply reached steady state. Also:

    "Tablets will not kill PCs," Forrester Research analyst Frank Gillett said. "Tablets will force them to evolve."

    Signs that the evolution is under way include Microsoft overhauling Windows to synch the world's most widely used computer operating system with tablets and smartphones as well as desktops and laptops.

    While people opt for tablets instead of laptops on the move, they will yearn for bigger screens and more processing power for "real work", say analysts.

    Gillett contends that the limping economy is among factors behind a temporary lull in PC purchases destined to end as people "go through this illusion they will do it all on a tablet and realise they can't".
    Smartphone boom won't kill PC, say analysts | South China Morning Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by theveterans View Post
    Clearly, if Microsoft set the default "Desktop Mode" only (Windows 7 start menu, no Metro, no Charms bar, no side menus etc.) for devices that don't have touch capabilty and only set Metro as a default for tablets and touch screen laptops, they wouldn't be having this mess.
    Yes. And if they also made it possible to use aero again. Windows 8 biggest problem, IMHO, is that it is so locked. You MUST start with UI (Metro), you MUST have a minimalistic design on desktop. Why not let people decide for themself how they want to use their Windows 8 installation? MS is going up against the wind by telling us what we want. We have now learned to customize allmost everything in windows vista/7, and now we are back to square windows like the "good" old win98 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theveterans View Post
    Clearly, if Microsoft set the default "Desktop Mode" only (Windows 7 start menu, no Metro, no Charms bar, no side menus etc.) for devices that don't have touch capabilty and only set Metro as a default for tablets and touch screen laptops, they wouldn't be having this mess.
    What MS did was simply slap the RT gui on Win 8, add a few new twists like the new Lock screen and revamped taskmanager, and call it a day! It's not actually what anyone could call a new major desktop release to begin with.

    It was simply taking a shortcut while stripping other things out to meet an end of having a schedule and not investing in what would come after Aero as far as the desktop platform was concerned. And one large fail from the start was no setup options to see any standard desktop type interface option for the Upgrade and OEM for System Builders releases there for custom builders as well as for those simply upgrading to 8 on older systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryE View Post
    Microsoft is going to what they want to do, and I doubt that they're going to focus a lot on the waning PC desktop/laptop market. Tablets and smart phones are all the rage. The major PC manufacturers are making touch-screen PCs or hybrids.

    My point is that I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope for a major change to the interface or behavior of Windows 8. It's clearly an effort to adapt to a changing marketplace - I think it's going to take some time to see how successful that effort is. Perhaps "Blue" will change some things and even be a little easier to use on a PC: at best we won't know for a while.
    They definitely wanted to cash in on the mobile, hand held market while leaving the desktop users stranded with "this is what you get this time! Window RT Surface on your desktop!". But you also have to ask yourself why you would want to upgrade into a touch-swipe screen type gui-ed OS on your present non touch screen capable desktop?

    As far as OEMs while some may be in the works of providing touchscreen displays a good number are providing their own form of 7 type Start menu in order to be able to sell their new lineup of 8 machines. That should be sending a strong message to MS in that alone by saying: "Hey what are you doing to us? We can't sell a touchscreen OS on non touchscreen capable hardwares!"

    Despite the MS abitions aimed at the mobile market there still comes a time when the desktop platform isn't simply going to vanish with or without Cloud. As for shutdown options MS could have easily add a power button to the main taskbar rather then being hidden away on a toolbar or in right lcick on profile pic option you don't know about on first sight!

    "See vendor for details and instructions on how to... blah blah blah this or that on Windows 8" That isn't a good marketing strategy now is it?!
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    Every now and then I come back here to see if anything has changed, nothing, I cannot believe you guys are still talking about a power button, a start menu and Aero. No wonder Microsoft is having a hard time, I'm off for another break, wake me up when you're all happy. How long since the first preview came out.

    Meanwhile I'll be enjoying Windows 8 on my two computers, soon to be three.
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    That's nice! What I was referring to is the fact that MS didn't actucally develop any new desktop version as far as the main gui is concerned but simply slapped the RT gui on, added a few new items, stripped away media elements, and then called it a new desktop version.

    Rather then developing an actual Areo replacement option they gave you RT for Tablet instead. It wouldn't have taken much to simply replace the Start menu with at least a button for shutdown options where you could find it not perform a Sherlock Holmes mystery suddenly being thrust at the typical novice user who goes out and buys a brand new 8 machine and gets stumped. The blog writers have already been having a field tossing that fact around.

    The comparison the article points out is that with Vista having not seen the correct minimum system required advised from the start the rep it got was being a turtle on older hardwares "ssslowwww boat to China" until you added more memory and a faster cpu. Yet the initial sales are where? Much better then seen for 8 and why? People take one look at 8 and run scared since they can't figure it out or have been hearing complaint as well as reading some of those critical blogs about how MS messed things up!

    I have one friend now borrowing a 7 laptop that took one look at 8 and frowned immediately still wanting to go back to XP! He wants things "Plain and Simple" not mish-mashed like looking for hidden menus and needing to hit the key combos in order to find things. And that is what most consumers look at as well. MS was simply too focused on the mobile market conceipt and not on the desktop pc itinuary the average joe pc user looks at.

    Here's something for those that feel Win 8 is the way of the future with the Desktop platform on the way to extinction?! Surface: Companion device or PC replacement? | ZDNet

    Speaking about slumping 8 sales, Microsoft's aching Windows 8 hangover | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld
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