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Surface trampled at the bottom of the tablet pile

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    Quote Originally Posted by molebo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Where did you get the Surface CPU specs to say that it's the i5-3317U Processor? I don't think this is 3rd gen.
    I have some source at Intel.

    anything to argue..... you don't know that much CPU ? . Second generation Sandy Bridge was 32 nm and this CPU was release last December and it's a 22 nm ( Ivy )

    Launch Date Q2'12

    Lithography 22 nm


    and what they said over the red line

    Attachment 14044
    You haven't given a processor number. We are to rely on your word that "have some source at Intel"? Not good enough for me.

    What are you saying? The red line is underlining a link to 3rd gen processors.

    The specs I have found:

    3rd Gen Intel Core i5 Processor with Intel HD Graphics 4000

    Surface specifications

    It's obvious that there's no arguing with you -> You know it all.

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  2. #82


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by molebo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by will1982 View Post


    I tried the keyboard cover at best buy and it was abysmal.
    sorry for my English, but is it good or bad this comment ?
    I realise your English is not the greatest Molebo, so maybe you don't realise that you're on a forum called eightforums. I take it you don't like Windows 8, if that's the case you should be on Sevenforums.

    Surely you would be much better off talking to people about the advantages of Windows 7 than being on the wrong forum and talking about the disadvantages of Windows 8.

    In other words you wouldn't join an Irish Club to put down Irish people that would be a bit silly.
    Right on, BW. That's it for me. I'd be better off talking to a wall.
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  3. #83


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    Believe he argued his way right out of here...

    A Guy
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  4. #84


    OpenOffice is a great program. Especially for but not limited to the price.
    I used it a lot, even when I had MS Office 2000. As well as during trial periods of MS O 2007 & 2010.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Well, I have used touch PCs already, experienced all they have to offer. I've physically toyed around with a Surface RT tablet. I've researched and followed developments about the Surface tablets. I've also tried out the ipads and android knockoff tablets, my conclusion is that it is correct to belittle the competition.
    Yeah, but when it comes down to plunking your own money you sit there with nothing. Doesn't seem like a raving endorsement to me. It's like people who say Open Office.sucks, but they don't pay for MS Office but rather pirate it.
    Interesting, then it seems that people that only tried out a Windows Phone from doing the Windows Phone Challenge (some marketing thing) and say it's better than their iphone or android, their endorsements aren't potent?

    And I pay for my Office, as long as my local university offers a discount, I buy it. open office sucks. And google docs too.
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    While I was in the store buying Windows 8 Pro on NYE, I asked the salesman about the Surface, and whether they had any in stock. I explained that I wasn't in the market at present, but would like a look at one. He took me through it, and I was quite impressed with what I saw. I do realise that this is only an opinion based on very limited use.
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  6. #86


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    pcRat, where I work now, we tested OpenOffice for about 4 months on a wide scale (I believe it was about 100+ users), and everyone had many issues with it, especially cross compatibility with Office any version. We decided that it was a huge hindrance between us and our customers when it corrupted files left and right. So, no, in business place, OO doesn't cut it, in Home Use it may, but becomes a huge problem when those files start getting corrupted if you have to send them back and forth between OO and Office. This has been proven time and again.

    This is NOT my opinion, it is fact.
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  7. #87


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    pcRat, where I work now, we tested OpenOffice for about 4 months on a wide scale (I believe it was about 100+ users), and everyone had many issues with it, especially cross compatibility with Office any version. We decided that it was a huge hindrance between us and our customers when it corrupted files left and right. So, no, in business place, OO doesn't cut it, in Home Use it may, but becomes a huge problem when those files start getting corrupted if you have to send them back and forth between OO and Office. This has been proven time and again.

    This is NOT my opinion, it is fact.
    This is true.

    The school district where I live has been trying to transition over to google docs/open office over Microsoft Office, all I've heard it's a major pain in the crotch to use Office 2003/07/10 (apparently 2010 is being used to teach students how to use it, yet the IT department is trying to force down google docs on everyone, but paying no attention to teaching open office) along with google docs and open office. OO screws up .doc and .docx files with their formatting, google docs does as well if there is special formatting, and Office 2003 screws up file conversions from 2007/10.

    It's too much of a hassle to do that in an enterprise or educational environment when Microsoft Office has been predominate. A better solution would had been to use Office 365 for certain computers, Office Web Apps for students along with Outlook.com accounts. BAM! Cost effective, low learning curve, and no one's crotch is in pain.
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  8. #88


    Tepid▬ I don't disagree with your fact. I think that is common problem between many programs with similiar function. Maybe it's because certain parts of the code is copyrighted, patented or otherwise protected by MS.

    I do know of one company that uses OO for many gas stations for bookkeeping and word processing.

    • I'm just saying MSO shouldn't be put on a pedistal just because it can do so much with MSO documents. Or has free viewers which don't allow altering them. (I guess now you can go online & edit them)

    • OO allows people to open & edit MSO documents. I'll even agree that MSO may not be able to read it afterwards. (I saved OO docs in MSO format so Windows explorer would allow it to have an icon and be seen)
    If I need OO to open MSO docs, it really doesn't matter how MSO would read it.

    • Bottom line for many of us is; free OO beats unaffordable MSO and some people get very proficient at it. If it is shared, the receivers can download a copy of OO without charge.

    just my 1˝˘ (2˘ adjusted for inflation)
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    • OO allows people to open & edit MSO documents. I'll even agree that MSO may not be able to read it afterwards. (I saved OO docs in MSO format so Windows explorer would allow it to have an icon and be seen)
    If I need OO to open MSO docs, it really doesn't matter how MSO would read it.
    I am sorry, it honestly is not that simple. OO breaks the documents so they either

    a.) can't be opened
    b.) the formatting is horribly screwed up

    So, true, if you are in environment that you will never need to cross platform (share docs with MSO users) then ok.
    But that simply is not the case in the business world. It's not that simple.

    What you are saying is.... "I want my company to sell products to another company, that company is interested in buying my products and wants to do business, but all my docs are in OO and they don't use OO, in order for them to do business with me, they ahve to download OO to read my documents, then if their sales guy needs to forward them on to a manager, they have to download OO, etc, etc, on and on."

    I got news for you, you just lost that businesses business. They aren't going to do that unless they are going to be buying you out, but then OO will be the least of their worries.

    Realize that OO is NOT built for cross business sharing. No other company is going to invest resources into training time and trying to figure out conversions and crap to do business with another company, and if they did it would be on a very small introductory level, and I would tell them, invest in MSO and get proper conversions before we move forward or forget it. (ie. sales lost)

    Yes, it really is that big of a deal. Yes, it is wider than you think and I can tell you, one day, that gas station is going to find out and it is going to cost them time and money in the end.

    You need to realize that OO has been around for a long time, if it were has simple as you say, trust me, OO would be used a hell of a lot more in the business world, It's not for a reason.

    Simple Answer, everyone give up MS Office. Yeah right.
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  10. #90


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    This is a Forum.

    Anyone who wants to set up a windows 8 blind adoration society is free to do so.

    Those who are that way inclined could go there if they like and coo endlessly.

    They can also post on this forum .

    They won't be told to go away because we don't want to hear what they have to say.

    Isn't that what they did in the old Soviet Union - go away to Siberia, we don't like what you say.
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