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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
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    it just seems like a bunch of talk to me. People who rave about something, belittle the competition, argue that it's a no brainer...but then don't actually own one.
    Well, I have used touch PCs already, experienced all they have to offer. I've physically toyed around with a Surface RT tablet. I've researched and followed developments about the Surface tablets. I've also tried out the ipads and android knockoff tablets, my conclusion is that it is correct to belittle the competition.
    Yeah, but when it comes down to plunking your own money you sit there with nothing. Doesn't seem like a raving endorsement to me. It's like people who say Open Office.sucks, but they don't pay for MS Office but rather pirate it.
    Interesting, then it seems that people that only tried out a Windows Phone from doing the Windows Phone Challenge (some marketing thing) and say it's better than their iphone or android, their endorsements aren't potent?

    And I pay for my Office, as long as my local university offers a discount, I buy it. open office sucks. And google docs too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    And I pay for my Office, as long as my local university offers a discount, I buy it. open office sucks. And google docs too.
    Am glad to hear that you paid for Office. Most people don't.

    I disagree on Open Office, I have used it successfully for years on home machines to save MS licensing costs. It's met my basic needs.

    Google docs is also good for those basic tasks and it's online collaboration ability. Plus nothing to install.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    And I pay for my Office, as long as my local university offers a discount, I buy it. open office sucks. And google docs too.
    Am glad to hear that you paid for Office. Most people don't.

    I disagree on Open Office, I have used it successfully for years on home machines to save MS licensing costs. It's met my basic needs.

    Google docs is also good for those basic tasks and it's online collaboration ability. Plus nothing to install.
    Office Web Apps are great at that and better, and don't have to deal with .doc or .docx formatting issues.
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  4. #34


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    And I pay for my Office, as long as my local university offers a discount, I buy it. open office sucks. And google docs too.
    Am glad to hear that you paid for Office. Most people don't.

    I disagree on Open Office, I have used it successfully for years on home machines to save MS licensing costs. It's met my basic needs.

    Google docs is also good for those basic tasks and it's online collaboration ability. Plus nothing to install.
    Office Web Apps are great at that and better, and don't have to deal with .doc or .docx formatting issues.
    Yes, but late to party after people started using alternatives.

    We don't use Google apps for a lot, but I have a domain registered with Google, have emails for all family members, a shared calendar we all use, and a control panel where I can easily set up restrictions and allow features. And it's all for $10 a year. Very reasonable.
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    thing are changing Coke, all the school here are using Libre Office. So the students are getting use to it. Of course you probably try it 5 minutes and conclude it sucks, it work very well and it's free. It's so intelligent that I start to type a sentence in French and I do the second one in English and the corrector catch the difference and adjust right away. Google Doc is very useful if you want to translate a document right away, instead of bash everything not coming from Microsoft, why you don't try them ? It's funny your signature " think outside the box " you should apply it to you also. I may not always say good thing about MS, but even today I purchase a Surface, you have not even purchase your Windows 8 ... we know you wait to build this dream PC. We are like that here in Canada, we don't vote for the best one, they are no best one, we vote for the less worst.

    So next week hopefully I will receive my Surface, and count on my to say what I don't like, cause I'm sure it's not perfect.

    Speaking of correction, I use Google, and it make a pretty good job, you should see all the red line when I type in this forum. I have not check IE since a will, did IE have correction now ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post

    Am glad to hear that you paid for Office. Most people don't.

    I disagree on Open Office, I have used it successfully for years on home machines to save MS licensing costs. It's met my basic needs.

    Google docs is also good for those basic tasks and it's online collaboration ability. Plus nothing to install.
    Office Web Apps are great at that and better, and don't have to deal with .doc or .docx formatting issues.
    Yes, but late to party after people started using alternatives.

    We don't use Google apps for a lot, but I have a domain registered with Google, have emails for all family members, a shared calendar we all use, and a control panel where I can easily set up restrictions and allow features. And it's all for $10 a year. Very reasonable.
    When has Microsoft never been fashionably late to the party? What usually happens five years on? Generally clear success or indirect success. The Xbox was WAY late, but is the top console of choice. Windows was late after the mac in 1985, five years later become more used, five years further with 95 it cemented itself as the top used OS for years and years and years to this day. Office was late to the game competing against an industry standard, and is the standard today. Zune was late to the game, but with crappy support behind it and little effort as well against a cemented societal standard of digital music. Bing is way late to the game, but that's iffy if it's doing well. Arguably not, but arguably something to be seen in two years. Windows Phone technically was late to the game, but they already had Windows Mobile before android and ios competing against the Blackberry. Except unlike RIM's case, they rebuilt an enterprise geared product better for consumers, then again better for the enterprise and improved for consumers.

    That feature you described sounds like something on Windows Phone, I've yet to tinker around with it, but the concept is very similar and more or less a fleshed out Groups feature. All free too, with a Microsoft account. One can share calendars and I believe some files with non Windows Phone users or Windows 8 users. Haven't checked it out though.

    To me, it seems like the older the person is, the more likely they'd go for an alternative. I've found it interesting these past couple years how experienced Windows users and IT people are more inclined for alternatives that aren't Microsoft, maybe it's their image of Microsoft of the '90s, maybe it's the cost, maybe they don't need advanced features, or all of the above, or something else suits their needs that isn't from Microsoft. Choice is good though.

    I personally only know a very few people that do use google docs or open office that are under 25-30 years old, might be because the schools all taught them Microsoft Office and Windows.... It's all Windows, Office, Xbox with the exceptions of PS3, iphone, or android being used. I know a couple of people with ipads, but they only use it as large ipods than anything, nothing serious or otherwise they use their laptop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by molebo View Post
    thing are changing Coke, all the school here are using Libre Office. So the students are getting use to it. Of course you probably try it 5 minutes and conclude it sucks, it work very well and it's free. It's so intelligent that I start to type a sentence in French and I do the second one in English and the corrector catch the difference and adjust right away. Google Doc is very useful if you want to translate a document right away, instead of bash everything not coming from Microsoft, why you don't try them ? It's funny your signature " think outside the box " you should apply it to you also. I may not always say good thing about MS, but even today I purchase a Surface, you have not even purchase your Windows 8 ... we know you wait to build this dream PC. We are like that here in Canada, we don't vote for the best one, they are no best one, we vote for the less worst.

    So next week hopefully I will receive my Surface, and count on my to say what I don't like, cause I'm sure it's not perfect.

    Speaking of correction, I use Google, and it make a pretty good job, you should see all the red line when I type in this forum. I have not check IE since a will, did IE have correction now ?
    Oh believe me, I've tried them for more than five minutes. The problem is the same as if I were to go from Windows to mac os, everything that I know about how to use Windows doesn't apply to mac os. What I know about Office 2007/10/13 doesn't apply to open or libre office. I personally can't justify leaving Office to open sourced software that I have to learn how to use. This isn't like a learning curve of Windows 7 to 8, this is Windows to mac or Linux learning curve here.

    Also, Office already does the language checking automatically as well, as well as being able to translate the documents. Been that way since... maybe 2007? Not too sure.

    Actually, I've already bought Windows 8 Pro. I was going to install it a while ago, I was getting ready to and taking screenshots of my Start Screen to reconfigure it quickly, but then my hard drive failed and need to buy a new one before I install it. It's not also my dream PC I'm working on, it's simply because I also can't justify spending 1,000 dollars on a tablet PC that I won't be using often enough when my desktop PC needs that type of attention. When I look at this, this is thousands of dollars of hardware that needs prioritization first, if I were an apple fanboy; I'd had already preordered the new thin imac even though my imac is totally fine, bought the ipad 4 just because it has a lightning port connector that doesn't do anything better than the old connector, bought an iphone 5 already even though it doesn't do more than my 4S other than an extra row of icons that show me nothing, bought the latest macbook with retina display even though my current one is totally fine.

    See how things are different? Think outside the box....
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  8. #38


    As far as Xbox being the go to console, it's good. But plenty of ps3 and Wii consoles out there. I happen to own all three of them. I do game mostly on my 360.

    My $10 a year on Google apps pays for my own domain name. The rest is all free.

    MS has failed in many areas. Zune was a complete failure. MS Bob was awful. Everything they tick does not automatically turn to gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    As far as Xbox being the go to console, it's good. But plenty of ps3 and Wii consoles out there. I happen to own all three of them. I do game mostly on my 360.

    My $10 a year on Google apps pays for my own domain name. The rest is all free.

    MS has failed in many areas. Zune was a complete failure. MS Bob was awful. Everything they tick does not automatically turn to gold.
    This is true, not everything they do turns into profit. Zune could had if the HD was the first generation of it and a year early. Or at least something designed like that versus a Soviet era looking thing. But they may have indirect success because without Zune, there would probably be no Windows Phone, Windows 8, Office 2013, as well as no concerted effort from Microsoft to unify their products into probably the largest and best ecosystem of devices ever seen.
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  10. #40


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Also, Office already does the language checking automatically as well, as well as being able to translate the documents. Been that way since... maybe 2007? Not too sure.

    no it don't, you have to go in the ribbon change the language, or else it's not usable.

    Look my " il " and " comme " are correctly spell, and worst, it offer me only English word to correct it

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