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    Everything is starting to close in on Apple, even their teen base is starting to drop them because they're not cool anymore. Android has surpassed them in everything and they're a lot cheaper, and now Microsoft is back in the game with real computers in tablet form.

    The OEMs are starting to get their act together by pushing out better cheaper stuff and even WP8 is steadily climbing up the charts. I just hope RT gets some traction because that could eventually get pretty big for Microsoft, but we'll see.

    Exciting times in the computer world it's getting hard to keep up with it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Everything is starting to close in on Apple, even their teen base is starting to drop them because they're not cool anymore. Android has surpassed them in everything and they're a lot cheaper, and now Microsoft is back in the game with real computers in tablet form.

    The OEMs are starting to get their act together by pushing out better cheaper stuff and even WP8 is steadily climbing up the charts. I just hope RT gets some traction because that could eventually get pretty big for Microsoft, but we'll see.

    Exciting times in the computer world it's getting hard to keep up with it all.
    The only real concern for Microsoft tbh(and probably a long shot), is if Google really does take a stab at actually making Chrome OS into a more viable traditional PC operating system. But it also would represent a major shift in policy for them, as they've been pretty adament about the viability of the cloud and the internet for all applications.

    But right now, Microsoft is the only company with a lock-in on the top-end of the stack, and its quite possible that they can use that to cascade down the stack, something they've allready started with the Surface Pro. They're allready pushing for cross-stack gaming from the PC down to the cell phone, and with the new XBOX.. it'll surely take its place in the stack. That can provide a viable reason for people to buy into the lower-end of their stack, even if its saturated, and even if its at a higher price point.

    In essence, over-time Apple will get strangled out of mobile by the OEM's cutting off their profit-margin on phones and tablets. If they manage to get a watch or TV off the ground, they'll be there and they'll still have an ecosystem, but a very weak and old one. And Microsoft will be left to compete with Google/OEM's/Android. The only way thats Even a Fair Fight(can we say, providing tablets at or even below cost supported by the profits at the top-end?) is if Google provides a truly viable op sys and application development enviornment that can compete with Windows head-on in the PC arena. However, Google may just end up leaving The Internet as the top of their stack and simply continue to use it to generate profits.
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    Hi there
    Standard Business cycles -- Diversify and and make acquisitions --then new CEO arrives -- "No we have to go back to our CORE business" so sells all acquisitions and non core stuff. Profits eventually fall again so new CEO arrives -- New acquisitions etc.

    "And the Beat goes on".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    When I bought my first Android tablet I was in the minority, when I bought my first Android phone I was in the minority. Reviewers heckled us original Android users endlessly yet look at Android now. Please don't talk about reviewers they are useless at what they do, they're like market analysts.
    I've come to realize that Tablets are going to be fools gold for Apple. Not in the short term, but in the longer. I had a hard time pinning a reason why until I saw 60 minutes tonight. They had a story on the dude that created Twitter and him and Lara Logan went into a coffee shop and they had tablets there acting as registers that were able to query smartphones and pay electronically. On its surface, an Apple User could point to this and go.. AH HA.. SEE.. THIS is the future of Apple.

    But being a developer it finally hit me as to why Apple is screwed. Whatever tablet they had at the counter, didn't have a visible logo. The program itself that they were using is an extremely easy point-of-sale app to make(even with the jockeying over wifi with the customer's smartphone). The core problem Apple has is there is absolutely no barrier to entry for tablets. Not on the hardware, and sure as heck not on the software. The apps themselves are child's play to write. A couple days work and they're ported to any other system.

    What this means is that it really doesn't matter which tablet or operating system is used, the output and graphics are essentially the same. As such, whats going to happen is that businesses are simply going to buy the cheapest hardware and make sure they keep any app they make up to date for all multiple systems. They can also use the fact that they're buying in bulk on say 30,000 tablets, to basically strongarm Apple or Samsung or OEM Whatever into cutting their profit margin and play each against each other.

    In turn, the profit margin on those devices is going to drop to near 0. Even to the general public, pure tablets are going to lead to the profit margin lowering to the cost of the device, given the severe amount of competition in the arena. You're basically going to end up with Apple being pushed out of the market by OEM's again, just like the PC.

    Apple's base is simply being dismantled on all fronts. Streaming Audio is assaulting iTunes. Samsung and the other Android OEM's are taking over the cell phone base. Microsoft has a winner from the top-end and is going to be steadily taking over the 10" form factor. And their own Mini is crippling the prospects of the 10" iPad.

    Its why I tell people that Microsoft's strategy is smart and set for the long haul. They've managed to create a high-profit margin device(Surface Pro) that can't just be bogarted(the lackluster OEM entries were found wanting) because OEM's don't control the software. Most large-scale application development is still going to be developed for Windows. Apple lovingly ceded them the PC Arena by leaving the Mac's out to rot. And to top it off they pretty much have their ducks in a row up through Windows 9.

    I really think if they want to go disruptive, they should be developing and put out a high-quality, hi-res, 27-30" Touchscreen Monitor for PC's, and release it in the leadup to 9. Buy 9, and upgrade your monitor at the same time to really take advantage of the op sys!
    apple, fine builders of POS POS systems!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    apple, fine builders of POS POS systems!



    And just to be clear, in the short-term they're going to continue to make quite a bit of money. Its just there isn't anything inherently special about an iPad vs any other pure tablet(especially on the business level), so as the marketplace matures and becomes saturated, their margins simply evaporate(and they're far closer than they were even a year ago). And Apple has never shown the ability to really survive and slug it out in a market that it couldn't charge a premium in.
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    I think most realise it isn't a "fair fight" as you put it. MS does have monopoly power.

    It is fairly obvious that Apple is under attack from the Android hordes. Uncle Tim will have to do something - I don't know what that will be. He is not likely to fill me in on the details. Whatever it is, I don't know if he can pull it off.

    Is that a good thing?

    In my view it is better to have viable competition in all areas.

    Before my time really - but wasn't Jobsy's big idea to produce a Mac at an affordable price - 600 bucks or so, I believe - that was a lot of money then - but it wasn't possible back then to do it for less. The principle remains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I think most realise it isn't a "fair fight" as you put it. MS does have monopoly power.

    It is fairly obvious that Apple is under attack from the Android hordes. Uncle Tim will have to do something - I don't know what that will be. He is not likely to fill me in on the details. Whatever it is, I don't know if he can pull it off.

    Is that a good thing?

    In my view it is better to have viable competition in all areas.

    Before my time really - but wasn't Jobsy's big idea to produce a Mac at an affordable price - 600 bucks or so, I believe - that was a lot of money then - but it wasn't possible back then to do it for less. The principle remains.
    I'm not sure what there is for Apple to do with whats happening to them in mobile tbh. I don't think there is anything they can do really. With the barriers to entry so low, its only a matter of time before the market becomes saturated with comptition, which inevitably leads to price wars.

    Its great for businesses and consumers in general, not too good for Apple.

    Whats really baffling though is their turning a blind eye to their Mac lines and leaving them out to rot. If everything goes south in mobile, they should have been able to regroup.. but they're simply getting further and further behind with their base. They've let mobile overshadow everything else and convinced them that somehow the 'old ways of doing things' are now obsolete.

    And lord help them if Microsoft releases a sweet spot touchscreen monitor and it catches on. At that point, a new generation of PC vs Mac(i.e. the opposite) ads could literally write themselves.
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    There's something going on.

    It's not just going to be an incremental improvement to the ipad.

    Makes sense - Timmy isn't the type to be content with fighting off the android critters - he is more the type to go for it. That is why Steve backed him.

    He has pleny of cash lying around. MS is in disarray.

    Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    There's something going on.
    And they've been up front about what. They're ramping up to the Watch release at the end of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It's not just going to be an incremental improvement to the ipad.
    What they do with the ipad doesn't interest me in the least.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    He has pleny of cash lying around. MS is in disarray.
    Thats hilarious given the cleaving of Apple stock and the near unanimous view that Apple is the one in disarray and being assaulted from all sides. MS has a fairly coherent strategy(with the exception of RT), and right now needs to keep moving Surface Pros and showing its a viable business while shoring the base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I think most realise it isn't a "fair fight" as you put it. MS does have monopoly power.

    It is fairly obvious that Apple is under attack from the Android hordes. Uncle Tim will have to do something - I don't know what that will be. He is not likely to fill me in on the details. Whatever it is, I don't know if he can pull it off.

    Is that a good thing?

    In my view it is better to have viable competition in all areas.

    Before my time really - but wasn't Jobsy's big idea to produce a Mac at an affordable price - 600 bucks or so, I believe - that was a lot of money then - but it wasn't possible back then to do it for less. The principle remains.
    You obviously don't know much about Apple, they have never tried to make anything affordable, they have always been super expensive compared to anything else.

    You'd better ask your Uncle a bit more about the company.
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