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Intel 'preparing' to put an end to user-replaceable CPUs

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    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    I mean I can understand pairing the motherboard Intel feels will best show off their own product but I feel this takes away the point of being able to pick your own parts. I'm not a computer custom builder but if I ever was I would want to choose ever part that I can. I don't want things that don't need to be put together, together. Doesn't even matter if you won't upgrade or you if you will, we should have a choice to choose. I don't get these companies trying to force us to play their game. The whole point of customizing your pc is to choose your own parts. I don't even care if I had to change next year, I don't want parts that I don't like stuck together with a part I do like. It's one thing if they approved which motherboards wouldn't break their processors but this is just crazy.

    Thank you, That is exactly how I feel too. I want to know that if a part fails then I can replace it rather then having to replace the whole motherboard. These companies should be moving in the other direction like they were and not going back in time to what they used to do. From 2000 and back they pretty much always soldered processors to motherboards, it wasn't till around 2003 when they started making socket types. And now their saying they are going back. What a shame, this is a huge regression.

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  2. #22


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    The way computing is going, I'll be giving it up as a hobby, and only using computers if forced to.

    When it stops being fun, or you can no longer do as you wish, what's the bloody point?

    I'm not some dumbass content-consumer or social-network addict, nor do I want to be.

    That isn't, wasn't and never will be what computing/computers mean to me.
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    The absolute vast majority of end users don't care how their box is constructed, only that it does the job they want. When it no longer can do that job, they upgrade the entire box. So the concept of having the processor part of the motherboard isn't insane, we accept similar design in just about everything else. What would be a worry is that if Intel became a monopoly in this game and began to dictate to manufacturers and control prices more than they do now.

    Also, looking at the diagram here:

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    Could Haswell be Intel

    What would it take an enterprising manufacturer to solder that chip onto an interface socket?
    Last edited by Ray8; 29 Nov 2012 at 06:29.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The absolute vast majority of end users don't care how their box is constructed, only that it does the job they want. When it no longer can do that job, they upgrade the entire box. So the concept of having the processor part of the motherboard isn't insane, we accept similar design in just about everything else. What would be a worry is that if Intel became a monopoly in this game and began to dictate to manufacturers and control prices more than they do now.

    Also, looking at the diagram here:

    Click image for larger version

    Could Haswell be Intel

    What would it take an enterprising manufacturer to solder that chip onto an interface socket?
    Yes.
    Give me a good reason for the change. I don't see any positive point.
    We were happy with sockets!

    If AMD still provides sockets, then it can be a good reason for me to switch, and everyone is happy.
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  5. #25


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    Why don't we begin to solder the RAM as well?

    4GB is enough for everybody...
    (I don't think so...)

    Just to show you where this path is going.

    If something brakes (big yes! for manufacturters) we consumers just have to buy something new. New motherboard includes all stuff (equals waste).
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by shane88 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    I mean I can understand pairing the motherboard Intel feels will best show off their own product but I feel this takes away the point of being able to pick your own parts. I'm not a computer custom builder but if I ever was I would want to choose ever part that I can. I don't want things that don't need to be put together, together. Doesn't even matter if you won't upgrade or you if you will, we should have a choice to choose. I don't get these companies trying to force us to play their game. The whole point of customizing your pc is to choose your own parts. I don't even care if I had to change next year, I don't want parts that I don't like stuck together with a part I do like. It's one thing if they approved which motherboards wouldn't break their processors but this is just crazy.

    Thank you, That is exactly how I feel too. I want to know that if a part fails then I can replace it rather then having to replace the whole motherboard. These companies should be moving in the other direction like they were and not going back in time to what they used to do. From 2000 and back they pretty much always soldered processors to motherboards, it wasn't till around 2003 when they started making socket types. And now their saying they are going back. What a shame, this is a huge regression.
    Hi there
    C'mon guys

    Get real

    How many times have you EVER had a CPU fail on you. -- Not impossible but it's exceedingly rare -- and if it does get broken chances are the mobo won't be of much use either.

    In any case the price of the integrated bundle will be a lot cheaper than separate ones now -- and who knows somebody will devise solderless connections for these CPU's if the demand is high enough.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post

    Also, looking at the diagram here:

    Click image for larger version

    Could Haswell be Intel

    What would it take an enterprising manufacturer to solder that chip onto an interface socket?
    That's not nearly as easy as it sounds. Not and get a reliable connection on every contact point on a multilayer board ,without messing something up with all the heat required. Its a lot easier to solder a socket on the board from the back side than it would be to solder that CPU to the top side. Totally different process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Its a lot easier to solder a socket on the board from the back side than it would be to solder that CPU to the top side. Totally different process.
    Interesting method, worth trying on one of my older laptops. In this case I take it you must first remove the original cpu. This method would be time consuming, I would much rather spend time using this method to upgrade the gpu instead, can it be done ? maybe not having a socket, but it is it possible to replace gpu through soldering ?
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by shane88 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Its a lot easier to solder a socket on the board from the back side than it would be to solder that CPU to the top side. Totally different process.
    Interesting method, worth trying on one of my older laptops. In this case I take it you must first remove the original cpu. This method would be time consuming, I would much rather spend time using this method to upgrade the gpu instead, can it be done ? maybe not having a socket, but it is it possible to replace gpu through soldering ?
    Maybe I better clarify what I was trying to say. I think you'll find that in most cases, the CPU's that are soldered in are the type with pins on the bottom. The same ones that can be put in a socket. Instead of soldering in a socket you just solder in the CPU directly to the motherboard. It's the same process as soldering in the socket. The pins pass though the motherboard and are soldered from the back side of the motherboard. The board is just floated on a pool of solder and all the components get soldered at once. The processor pictured above doesn't have pins and can't be soldered to the motherboard using the process I just described. You have to use a surface mount process. Usually, with that process the solder pads are around the perimeter of the chip, not under it.

    I wouldn't attempt to remove a CPU socket or CPU itself with a regular soldering Iron. To remove multi pin sockets like that you use almost the same method used to install them. Only in this case you use a small solder pool that's only as big as the socket. You dip that spot of the motherboard from underneath to heat all the solder and then quickly remove the socket and drop in a new one. It's hard to describe but basically you have a little cup of molten solder that you put under the motherboard and then lay the motherboard on top of it so it just touches the liquid solder. You have to be quick to avoid damaging the motherboard and you can only do it so many times.
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  10. #30


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    Again this is not really about upgradability, it's about STOCKING and CHOICE.

    Your right, AFTER the machine is built it is exceedingly rare to need to replace one part and not the other for any reason. Not /totally/ non-existent but pretty damn rare. HOWEVER. If you want to choose your MB and your processor from the start, those choices will be SEVERELY limited once the processors come pre soldered to the MB because no one will want to stock every single combination of the two.

    Dell is guilty of this now but there are tons of places that give much better options.

    I.e. A store or builder need only stock 10 cpus and 10 motherboards and you have up to 100 combinations to choose from. So 20 stock items == 100 choices. After soldering, you have to stock 100 items to provide the same choices and NO ONE is going to do that.
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