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Windows 8 moves to BIOS-based product keys

  1. #11


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    Windows 7 uiltimate, Windows 8.1 pro 64bit, Windows server 2008R2, Windows 10 TP


    everything can and will be cracked if its worth a while.. sometimes pirated version is even more useable because of all removed protections limitations and other spyware bloatware.
    i dont approve piracy.. but i dont approve all those protections that burdens user that has legitimately bought software

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  2. #12


    Tropical Island Pair a Dice
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    Just a reminder.
    Before this thread gets carried away and further from the topic.

    Forum Rules

    4) No discussion of piracy or anything illegal is allowed at all. Such as software, music, videos and other intellectual property violations.
    Last edited by Dave76; 27 Nov 2012 at 05:42.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45
    What happens if you want to buy a FULL RETAIL version of Windows 8 and install it on to one of these wretched "Bios Jinxed" Machines.
    There would no need to enter key on reinstall.
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  4. #14


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    This new BIOS activation method might be interesting. It seems like it would make replacing a SSD or hard drive pretty easy as one just needs to install Windows, activation is already done. But I do wonder how upgrading will work to Windows 9. Does the product key carry over? There was a line in that article that questioned how would one install Windows 8 Pro over the base version. You'd need to do that within Windows 8 to start off with. But then again, if you're replacing a dead drive, and didn't know that the core version product key is installed, and tried to install Windows 8 Pro, how does THAT work?

    It looks like technology is progressing as it should be: as things become more simple to use, fixing those things becomes a MAJOR pain in the groin.

    I would think that the 8 Pro install media would look for an 8 Pro product code. If the embedded code is only for 8 Core it will not be used and you can then type in your code. Windows 9 would reject it too and ask for a code during install.
    One of the drawbacks (depending on how you look at it) to the Windows 7 SLIC table is it isn't version specific. It will let you install any version of Windows 7 that has a matching certificate. I'm thinking that's why the OEM's stopped including Branded install media.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    What happens if you want to buy a FULL RETAIL version of W8 and install it on to one of these wretched "Bios Jinxed" Machines.

    Booting direct from a VHD probably can bypass this whole mess if you can set it up --although probably won't work with GPT / UEFI systems.

    I'd always uninstall a store bought PC's OS complete with all the bloatware / adware / trials and crapware and install the Full Retail version anytime.

    If this stuff makes using / installing software too complex then I'm chosing something else. I've already abandoned ACRONIS because of the ACTIVATION schemes they now use since Version 2012. The current 2013 release is even worse a mess.

    This sort of stuff just increases the use of those well known Torrent sites with no real benefit to anybody.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Why don't you just buy the Non-OS version of the PC? Saves you ALOT of money instead of the OEM License + Retail License.
    Indonesia has a lot of those thingies
    Hi there
    If you buy a PC in a typical store in W. Europe the OS is already pre-installed so your option isn't a choice.

    In any case I don't WANT the OEM version -- I WANT the full retail version since it can be moved to another PC if I need to do it.

    I usually bargain with the store manager (Yes it's do-able in W. Europe too although most people are too scared to try).

    If I'm spending 1,000 EUR on a PC then I can usually negociate a discount on Office student edition and a Windows retail version being thrown in as well for a SMALL extra fee.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #16


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    My Windows 8 Pro OEM disk, purchased from a retail computer shop for $149, came with the traditional sticker/installation key code. I had to activate it after installation. Maybe I'm a bit paranoic, but I always use telephone activation as opposed to online, as I'm not convinced no personally identifiable info is collected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo45
    In any case I don't WANT the OEM version -- I WANT the full retail version since it can be moved to another PC if I need to do it.
    For the first time ever to my knowledge, the OEM version of Windows 8 can be transferred to another computer, provided the purchaser of the software is the first person to install it on a PC.

    Once installed, if the original installer re-sells it to a third party, the new licencesee cannot transfer it to another computer.

    This is the third EULA found in the tutorial section here and is called a Personal Use Licence.

    Can I transfer the software to another computer or user? You may transfer the software to another computer that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software (together with the license) to a computer owned by someone else if a) you are the first licensed user of the software and b) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement.
    So you now have, Retail, Pre-installed OEM & Personal use OEM EULAs.

    I checked this out with MS before purchasing and the off shore MS tech support in the Phillipines were not aware this third EULA existed. After much consulting and about 20 minutes later they finally conceded it was correct.
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    I didn't read the article, linked by the OP. But surely, if you wish to install a better version of Windows 8 than the OEM, and you, therefore, have a legit key, there cannot be a problem? Where I live, the Win 8 computers are now being sold with, as in many other countries, a cheap offer to upgrade to a higher category. If that didn't work, the retailer would be in for some really heavy comeback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    I didn't read the article, linked by the OP. But surely, if you wish to install a better version of Windows 8 than the OEM, and you, therefore, have a legit key, there cannot be a problem? Where I live, the Win 8 computers are now being sold with, as in many other countries, a cheap offer to upgrade to a higher category. If that didn't work, the retailer would be in for some really heavy comeback.
    To upgrade from Windows 8 preinstall to Windows 8 Pro, you would use ADD FEATURES.
    Add Features to Windows 8
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    I didn't read the article, linked by the OP. But surely, if you wish to install a better version of Windows 8 than the OEM, and you, therefore, have a legit key, there cannot be a problem? Where I live, the Win 8 computers are now being sold with, as in many other countries, a cheap offer to upgrade to a higher category. If that didn't work, the retailer would be in for some really heavy comeback.
    To upgrade from Windows 8 preinstall to Windows 8 Pro, you would use ADD FEATURES.
    Add Features to Windows 8
    I wasn't actually referring to the upgrade method. As I said, I could not see how a user could be prevented from making a totally clean install, with a legitimate version of Windows 8.
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  10. #20


    Tropical Island Pair a Dice
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    Hopefully someone will let us know.

    I would imagine if the BIOS based key wasn't correct, it would give the product key page during installation.
    Can't believe MS would shut out version level upgrades.
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