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  1. #71


    Anyway, until Microsoft force everyone to office 365, Office can't run in a Metro Apps, so they need the desktop. But I'm sure Ms will prefer to see us on a monthly Office 365 plan, if not per usage for Office.

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  2. #72


    Quote Originally Posted by molebo View Post
    All those MS stupidity will make Google sell more Chromium PC, Tablets and Laptop. And Android devices. We gone all end in the cloud. The General Balmer is shooting on his own troop.
    I've noticed you keep hammering away at Balmer. He's the CEO, yes, but there is a board of directors he is a part of. He is just one of them. Keep in mind that Gates continues to own the company, which has great influence. The board has meetings. They vote on "directions" of the corporation together, so therefore, Balmer does not made all the decisions. He only makes decisions within the powers given him.

    I suggest you do a study of each member of the board, for they are well educated people with good credentials within their field. Yes, they make wrong decisions at times, but for the most part they make correct ones. Personally I think their timing has been off, for they allowed Apple to get ahead of the new market of touch devices. The market changes quickly these days. I think they may have pushed 8, 8RTM, and the Surface RTM out the door too fast to try and make up time they lost. I feel the time and money they lost developing the Courier was a mistake. Good idea, but it would not have held a candle to the iPad, so they switched gears with 8 and the Surfaces. Slow out of the gate, but I think they'll get a good chunk of the market in the long run.

    The board, in return, have to answer to stockholders. This is a balancing act, for this is the capital along with profits they use to develop products. Millions of dollars to be responsible for. This by no means is to be taken lightly. People's income and lives are dependent on this stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by molebo View Post
    Anyway, until Microsoft force everyone to office 365, Office can't run in a Metro Apps, so they need the desktop. But I'm sure Ms will prefer to see us on a monthly Office 365 plan, if not per usage for Office.
    I think this is nothing but a part of the "conspiracy theory". Do you really think MS is forcing users to the Cloud? Although some may use 365, I think there will always be an Office and other products for one to install on a drive for to save files created on the drive. I think they all may one day be written in the Modern interface, but there will always be one. I think too many distrust others to store personally sensitive files, especially companies. Too much hacking going on, which has always been the case.

    "Transitional" 8 and the Surfaces are out. We already know they're working on Blue, which I think will be targeted to satisfy "multitasking" enterprise and power users. I think they're heading in the correct direction with it all. It'll surely be interesting to watch it all unfold. The "Soap Opera" of computer technology. It surely fascinates me!
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  3. #73


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I've noticed you keep hammering away at Balmer. He's the CEO, yes, but there is a board of directors he is a part of.
    Good so they know what to do, vote him out


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    I think this is nothing but a part of the "conspiracy theory". Do you really think MS is forcing users to the Cloud? Although some may use 365,


    Just 1 example to support THE theory , they remove Exchange Server from their SBS Suite. So now you have only the Essential version with a very good connectivity to online Exchange hosting.

    Look also at the launchpad if you are connected to a Domain, they include by default the Office 365 link, and let me tel you it's not that simple to remove it from the menu. so if they don't force they push it very hard

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  4. #74


    USA
    Posts : 20
    Windows 8 64 Bit


    Agreed, the only reason I use 8 is because it came on my laptop
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  5. #75


    Posts : 288
    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I think this is nothing but a part of the "conspiracy theory". Do you really think MS is forcing users to the Cloud? Although some may use 365, I think there will always be an Office and other products for one to install on a drive for to save files created on the drive. I think they all may one day be written in the Modern interface, but there will always be one. I think too many distrust others to store personally sensitive files, especially companies. Too much hacking going on, which has always been the case.

    "Transitional" 8 and the Surfaces are out. We already know they're working on Blue, which I think will be targeted to satisfy "multitasking" enterprise and power users. I think they're heading in the correct direction with it all. It'll surely be interesting to watch it all unfold. The "Soap Opera" of computer technology. It surely fascinates me!
    There was a lot of speculation, not long ago about MS forcing users to the cloud by sort of treating legacy applications as second class citizens over the Metro apps (many of which do not run without Internet connection and to a sense cloud-based and some of them need monthly subscription fees too). Some of those apps also require you to logon to your Windows Live account first to access those services. Also we've heard news of futuristic OS's that require cloud based booting to start up. However, Microsoft is not forcing people to the cloud, just yet and they are not the only ones to do this. Google and Apple are as well with their cloud-based apps and services. While we are not exactly being forced to the cloud at the moment, there is not denying that those companies (MS, Apple, Google and others will follow) are building the foundations of a future where so many things you do in your computer have to rely on a "cloud" based service offered by them which is an additional stream of income for them which is not really reliable to those of us who don't have a steady Internet connection, those of us who handle sensitive data as you said and its not gonna be healthy for our pockets. That is the worrying near future of the tech market. In fact, the Asus netbook I have has a cloud-based OS but I did not try it yet because I don't know how my Internet would work on a platform of some OS where I havent yet even opened, where my network settings have never yet been configured to get my Internet going.


    MS are still not offering traditional Start button and Start menu on the Windows Blue, and I think, unless they added something really cool, Windows 8 will not get a significant addition of appeal as it is now. They should at least make it possible for Metro apps to have close and minimize buttons that you could easily see that makes it quite more obvious how you deal with the Metro app. That would at least make "multi-tasking" on these full screen Metro apps more palatable but if the improvements on Windows Blue are mostly or all for the sake of visuals and not functionality, MS are on the wrong track again. Here's an interesting article of how someone thinks Windows 9 should have but some of the suggested features here would have been added to Windows Blue:


    10 must-have features for Windows 9 | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld
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  6. #76


    Well say Vertex, that's express exactly what I'm thinking.
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  7. #77


    Florida
    Posts : 64
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Don't get my wrong, I'm a huge windows 7 fan. It was hard upgrading, and I still don't really care for the metro interface. It is usable, and it's like this for obvious reasons. It's designed for tablets and touchsmart machines mainly. It's not really "Hidden" if you know what you are looking for, and you have previous windows knowledge. It's a fine operating system. I see it is a bit faster than windows 7, not too noticeable, but it is to me. It's slightly worse than windows 7 for gaming, but not really noticeable again, except for some older games. But what can you say? This is a OS designed around the future generation of tablets and smart phones. You can always go back to windows 7.
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  8. #78


    Quote Originally Posted by Rymax99 View Post
    Don't get my wrong, I'm a huge windows 7 fan. It was hard upgrading, and I still don't really care for the metro interface. It is usable, and it's like this for obvious reasons. It's designed for tablets and touchsmart machines mainly. It's not really "Hidden" if you know what you are looking for, and you have previous windows knowledge. It's a fine operating system. I see it is a bit faster than windows 7, not too noticeable, but it is to me. It's slightly worse than windows 7 for gaming, but not really noticeable again, except for some older games. But what can you say? This is a OS designed around the future generation of tablets and smart phones. You can always go back to windows 7.
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  9. #79


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I think this is nothing but a part of the "conspiracy theory". Do you really think MS is forcing users to the Cloud? Although some may use 365, I think there will always be an Office and other products for one to install on a drive for to save files created on the drive. I think they all may one day be written in the Modern interface, but there will always be one. I think too many distrust others to store personally sensitive files, especially companies. Too much hacking going on, which has always been the case.

    "Transitional" 8 and the Surfaces are out. We already know they're working on Blue, which I think will be targeted to satisfy "multitasking" enterprise and power users. I think they're heading in the correct direction with it all. It'll surely be interesting to watch it all unfold. The "Soap Opera" of computer technology. It surely fascinates me!
    There was a lot of speculation, not long ago about MS forcing users to the cloud by sort of treating legacy applications as second class citizens over the Metro apps (many of which do not run without Internet connection and to a sense cloud-based and some of them need monthly subscription fees too). Some of those apps also require you to logon to your Windows Live account first to access those services. Also we've heard news of futuristic OS's that require cloud based booting to start up. However, Microsoft is not forcing people to the cloud, just yet and they are not the only ones to do this. Google and Apple are as well with their cloud-based apps and services. While we are not exactly being forced to the cloud at the moment, there is not denying that those companies (MS, Apple, Google and others will follow) are building the foundations of a future where so many things you do in your computer have to rely on a "cloud" based service offered by them which is an additional stream of income for them which is not really reliable to those of us who don't have a steady Internet connection, those of us who handle sensitive data as you said and its not gonna be healthy for our pockets. That is the worrying near future of the tech market. In fact, the Asus netbook I have has a cloud-based OS but I did not try it yet because I don't know how my Internet would work on a platform of some OS where I havent yet even opened, where my network settings have never yet been configured to get my Internet going.


    MS are still not offering traditional Start button and Start menu on the Windows Blue, and I think, unless they added something really cool, Windows 8 will not get a significant addition of appeal as it is now. They should at least make it possible for Metro apps to have close and minimize buttons that you could easily see that makes it quite more obvious how you deal with the Metro app. That would at least make "multi-tasking" on these full screen Metro apps more palatable but if the improvements on Windows Blue are mostly or all for the sake of visuals and not functionality, MS are on the wrong track again. Here's an interesting article of how someone thinks Windows 9 should have but some of the suggested features here would have been added to Windows Blue:


    10 must-have features for Windows 9 | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld
    Actually people are looking for a Start BUTTON, not a Start MENU.
    You can make a VBS for a start button, or download an application made by Brink on the tutorials.
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  10. #80


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I think this is nothing but a part of the "conspiracy theory". Do you really think MS is forcing users to the Cloud? Although some may use 365, I think there will always be an Office and other products for one to install on a drive for to save files created on the drive. I think they all may one day be written in the Modern interface, but there will always be one. I think too many distrust others to store personally sensitive files, especially companies. Too much hacking going on, which has always been the case.

    "Transitional" 8 and the Surfaces are out. We already know they're working on Blue, which I think will be targeted to satisfy "multitasking" enterprise and power users. I think they're heading in the correct direction with it all. It'll surely be interesting to watch it all unfold. The "Soap Opera" of computer technology. It surely fascinates me!
    There was a lot of speculation, not long ago about MS forcing users to the cloud by sort of treating legacy applications as second class citizens over the Metro apps (many of which do not run without Internet connection and to a sense cloud-based and some of them need monthly subscription fees too). Some of those apps also require you to logon to your Windows Live account first to access those services. Also we've heard news of futuristic OS's that require cloud based booting to start up. However, Microsoft is not forcing people to the cloud, just yet and they are not the only ones to do this. Google and Apple are as well with their cloud-based apps and services. While we are not exactly being forced to the cloud at the moment, there is not denying that those companies (MS, Apple, Google and others will follow) are building the foundations of a future where so many things you do in your computer have to rely on a "cloud" based service offered by them which is an additional stream of income for them which is not really reliable to those of us who don't have a steady Internet connection, those of us who handle sensitive data as you said and its not gonna be healthy for our pockets. That is the worrying near future of the tech market. In fact, the Asus netbook I have has a cloud-based OS but I did not try it yet because I don't know how my Internet would work on a platform of some OS where I havent yet even opened, where my network settings have never yet been configured to get my Internet going.
    My apology that I have not answered to you until now. I got rather busy here lately.

    You see, when you use words like "speculation" and "sort of treating" I see it as a view based on emotions rather than facts. I can see your point to a certain degree, but it has yet to be proven. Of course, only time will tell. "Cloud" based OSs are nothing new. Here's an article I found written in the spring of 2009. You will have to watch an ad to get to the article.

    Tired of waiting for Windows to boot? HyperSpace and Splashtop can help - Computerworld

    You're the first person that's ever told me that they actually own one, although I don't work and I personally know very few that work IT. The few I do know don't use them. It doesn't seem to me that they're very popular or that many subscriptions have been sold after being introduced 3-1/2 years ago. There may be a call for it in future markets, but there's simply no call for it yet.

    I also see your point on cloud-based apps, but you see, that's continues to be a choice. I have yet to buy an app from the MS Store. It will have to be a very needed and well-written app for me to ever buy one. I could not justify buying one unless it is. I've had an Android phone for about 4 years now and I think I've purchased maybe, at most, four apps. I just don't allow myself to get caught up in that "Oh! I just got to have it!" syndrome. Maybe I'm different. I don't know. Obviously there's a market for it.

    If I do download a free app, I don't mind the ads in them. I just don't focus on them, just like I don't on an internet page. I understand that someone has to support it. There are also a lot of "hobbyists" that simply like to write apps for free.

    Bottom line, it's the market that leads the way of technology, not companies. A company may introduce a product, but that doesn't necessarily mean consumers will buy it, just as the "cloud-based" OSs. It just doesn't seem to be selling at this point. Certainly if most of you IT pros here aren't buying into the idea, it certainly won't come about. I personally don't see enterprise buying into it whatsoever.

    And I'll say this: If there comes a day I'm forced to store my personally sensitive and private data on someone else's server, that's the day I pull out my wireless adaptor or my Ethernet cable out of my machine. And if there comes a day I cannot install an OS on my HD, that's the day I'll give the machine away and go do something else in life. It will be a sad day indeed.

    MS are still not offering traditional Start button and Start menu on the Windows Blue, and I think, unless they added something really cool, Windows 8 will not get a significant addition of appeal as it is now. They should at least make it possible for Metro apps to have close and minimize buttons that you could easily see that makes it quite more obvious how you deal with the Metro app. That would at least make "multi-tasking" on these full screen Metro apps more palatable but if the improvements on Windows Blue are mostly or all for the sake of visuals and not functionality, MS are on the wrong track again. Here's an interesting article of how someone thinks Windows 9 should have but some of the suggested features here would have been added to Windows Blue:


    10 must-have features for Windows 9 | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld
    I understand the direction and agree with MS on the Start Screen. I don't think the Start Orb and Menu are ever returning. I understand the problem of "multi-tasking" with the Modern apps. I'm sure MS will improve on there new model, just as they always have with each new OS. There new "transitional" OS product vision and direction is, I believe, the correct way to go. MS "reimagined". Change with the market -> or die off.
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