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Windows 8 Disappointing Usability

  1. #121


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    It would be a shame to lose someone who tells the truth and hopefully if enough people complain Microsoft will again make a functional desktop OS.
    So you think someone saying it took two days of upgrading and lost $15 is the truth, I'd say its just sarcasm , but that's just me.

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  2. #122


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Bought a laptop in late November turned it on and booted it for the first time set it up and every thing then did a windows update and the first time the download was over 150 mb the second time it was 250+ mb I do not remember what it was the third time. NOT a good omen for a system just released less than thirty days tells me not enough testing was done. Then to find out there will be in six months a major service pack (windows blue) NOT a good omen either. This tells me it was really rushed out the door half baked.
    If this was rushed out the door what were all the beta testers doing for 12 months or whatever. Instead of worrying about what's coming, why don't you try to get used to what's here. Not that it takes much getting used to, it's almost child's play really.
    You are right it is child's play.The UI is designed for a TOY.
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  3. #123


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Bought a laptop in late November turned it on and booted it for the first time set it up and every thing then did a windows update and the first time the download was over 150 mb the second time it was 250+ mb I do not remember what it was the third time. NOT a good omen for a system just released less than thirty days tells me not enough testing was done. Then to find out there will be in six months a major service pack (windows blue) NOT a good omen either. This tells me it was really rushed out the door half baked.
    If this was rushed out the door what were all the beta testers doing for 12 months or whatever. Instead of worrying about what's coming, why don't you try to get used to what's here. Not that it takes much getting used to, it's almost child's play really.
    You are right it is child's play.The UI is designed for a TOY.
    if you knew anything about computers and graphics you'd know it's designed for speed, but you already knew that.
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  4. #124


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post

    If this was rushed out the door what were all the beta testers doing for 12 months or whatever. Instead of worrying about what's coming, why don't you try to get used to what's here. Not that it takes much getting used to, it's almost child's play really.
    You are right it is child's play.The UI is designed for a TOY.
    if you knew anything about computers and graphics you'd know it's designed for speed, but you already knew that.
    Pure HOG WASH. I and Millions of Microsoft customers know it is one of the Slowest UI to come out of Microsoft. Even Microsoft thinks it is a toy from all the commercials showing it as a TOY.
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  5. #125


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post

    You are right it is child's play.The UI is designed for a TOY.
    if you knew anything about computers and graphics you'd know it's designed for speed, but you already knew that.
    Pure HOG WASH. I and Millions of Microsoft customers know it is one of the Slowest UI to come out of Microsoft. Even Microsoft thinks it is a toy from all the commercials showing it as a TOY.
    I bow to your superior knowledge.
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  6. #126


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    Spot on LabeeMan. I made this point about the adverts before.
    Recent Mac advert showed people doing creative productive stuff.
    The old I'm a PC showed people doing clever productive, creative stuff.
    The Windows8 ads show a bunch of idiots dancing around waving their kiddy toys at each other, no indication that you can actually do anything with it.

    Those of use that use it know there is a good OS lurking under there it's just that MS doesn't want anyone to know it so they hid it behind the Metro toy UI! You just need to loose Metro before you can do anything worthwhile with it unless you are on a tablet.
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  7. #127


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    I lost $15 and two days of my life upgrading to Windows 8. I didn't run into any problems with important drivers or software but I mean does the market really need Windows 8? Is there a demand from consumers for such an operating system from Microsoft? I think for the time being the world is not ready for Windows 8 which makes me a part of that, I'll be re-installing Windows 7 and taking my leave from this forum.
    and lose another two days or more of your life reinstalling all the apps and data. Good luck with that. Really, I found W8 pretty good once I got past those first few days of learning (in my own time, admittedly). I certainly wouldn't want to waste more time going back to the old stuff when this is now working perfectly well and in many ways much better, like 30 second cold boots (instead of several minutes)!

    This kind of complaint happens every time there's a new version of an OS. Everyone wants a new OS but so many people don't want it to drive differently. So why bother buying it if you don't want to change? If you want the same-old, then please stick with the same-old and don't complain you weren't spoon-fed. And good luck buying your next computer. It'll have W8 by default I guess, like mine will.
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  8. #128


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Yes but I don't agree that this is a mistake, it's just going to take a while for people to understand that the world is changing and Microsoft has to change with it.

    I like the idea of one operating system across multiple devices, less confusing.
    This may be off topic for a bit, but I will attempt to show that it is not, so please bear with me.

    "Show me a sane man and I will cure him". ~ Carl Jung

    I learned this statement while taking psychology as a senior in high school way back in '68/'69. Jung was a young contemporary of the elder Sigmund Freud. These are men that laid down certain basic principles in human thinking and behavior. While running into some trouble in my human development later in life, I learned what Jung was saying in his statement -> Every human is insane in one way or another. To take it a little farther in layman's terms -> We are "goofy" in our own little way.

    I'm not ashamed to say that my wife at the time and I went to counseling while struggling to keep a marriage alive. We were in our young thirties. I learned quite a lot about myself (my "goofyness") and my partner. I think anyone that's involved romantically for a time will understand that every now and then we look at our partner as if they were a total stranger only to find that we are just seeing and realizing another facet of their personality or of a change due to their development. It catches us off guard somewhat for we see them acting "abnormally" to us. Please keep in mind that the scenario could be reversed.

    I learned that either I or we accept the change and move forward or take a different stance or direction within the situation. It may be any situation in life. Unfortunately (or rather fortunately in long term) we both would not accept the direction each of us desired to go in life, so we decided it best to part ways. We grew apart so much so that we were no longer happy in the marriage. Overall I learned that just because two individuals love one another doesn't necessarily mean they're compatible in a marriage. It was difficult at first, but in the long run we realized it was for the best for both.

    So to get back on topic along with what BillWindows stated -> Change is a constant in the universe. Companies decide to go in a different direction. Markets change. Technology changes. People change. Even the time factor of change changes in that it seems they/we have to keep up in a exponentially faster pace of change when it comes to technology. "Don't miss the bus" so to speak. In relation to that the electronic computer was invented in the 1940's we are now seeing change at almost what I would estimate is at a biannual pace.

    People need time to adjust to change. Yes, 8 is a great change in relationship to what MS has developed before. It seems "abnormal" to us. I think if one steps back to look at the "big picture" of what MS is trying to accomplish, one might see things in a different light.

    It is of my opinion that 8 is targeted for the general population to gain market share of what others are winning at. Call it a toy if you will, but that is exactly what that particular market is demanding. Ok -> A toy for the general population to use to check communications of email, IM, Facebook, Twitter, shopping, or what have you if that's what tickles your fancy. They are not power users as many of us are or what enterprise demands of an OS.

    Who here really thinks that MS is so stupid or ignorant to leave us or enterprise in the dust?! I think you will see and time will tell that eventually they will develop on OS or an addon to 8 that will appease and satisfy that market. I think some businesses will adopt it, but most won't. They'll stick to past OSs for time is really on MS's side while trying to take another market share.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    I lost $15 and two days of my life upgrading to Windows 8. I didn't run into any problems with important drivers or software but I mean does the market really need Windows 8? Is there a demand from consumers for such an operating system from Microsoft? I think for the time being the world is not ready for Windows 8 which makes me a part of that, I'll be re-installing Windows 7 and taking my leave from this forum.
    I feel that you learned fast at what I was referring to above. You may be the smartest amongst us. If 8 doesn't fit your needs, then stick with what works for you. You couldn't accept the change for what it is and you're not wasting your valuable time to make it what it is not. Perfectly understandable IMO. My hat off to you, Nemix!

    My only disagreement with your statement is that some of the world is ready for 8, not all. I sincerely dislike to see you go as a fellow member, but if that's what you decide, so be it. Good luck to you in your every endeavour.
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  9. #129


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    Quote Originally Posted by dweebken View Post
    and lose another two days or more of your life reinstalling all the apps and data. Good luck with that. Really, I found W8 pretty good once I got past those first few days of learning (in my own time, admittedly). I certainly wouldn't want to waste more time going back to the old stuff when this is now working perfectly well and in many ways much better, like 30 second cold boots (instead of several minutes)!
    W8 is fine, but let's dispense with the 30-second cold-boot right now. The 30-second cold boot will get you to the login screen and the Metro interface. However if you will watch closely, Windows continues to initialize the desktop system in the background as it would have under Win7. The overhead of loading drivers, etc, renders even the Metro front-end useless until the desktop initialization is complete. Oh yeah, you can click on a tile (and some of the live ones may start updating onscreen) but notice that any Metro app loads extremely slow because of the background load. On a complex system like mine it still takes a minute or two before things settle down and the machine is useful.

    On a system where you have not installed any desktop applications (primarily a tablet) then a 30-second boot is "real" but only to the extent that you haven't got much in the Windows Desktop loading. The 30-second cold-boot is an illusion.

    This isn't a negative thing, really ... I'm used to a cold boot taking a couple of minutes before everything settles down. That's why I put the machine to sleep rather than cold boot it most of the time. (Returning from sleep IS fast - just as it was under Win7). During the cold boot I just go get a cup of coffee or something. I honestly don't know why people get so upset about the system taking a couple minutes from cold boot. We used to refer to a "boot" as the re-IPL (Initial Program Load) of the system. It always takes longer to initial load an O/S and always will. Even an iPad (or iPhone) takes a long time to re-IPL, they (and other tablets) are only "instant-on" because they're in sleep mode most of the time. This is just the nature of the beast. Loading O/S services just takes time. I won't bother explaining why - it just does.

    The overall system is still the same. It's still a Windows NT kernel with all its subsystems. The desktop system doesn't wait for you to click the desktop tile to set up - it's doing this anyway. Windows 8 isn't as much different as everybody thinks it is. Metro is simply (well, maybe not simply​) another display and execution engine that's bolted on top of Windows NT. Microsoft is presenting an ILLUSION of quick start-up, but in actuality it's the same as it always has been - they just put some pretty stuff front-and-center to make you think your system is up and running. It ain't ... not until desktop is completely initialized. Most GUI applications have components that, as developers, we call "keep user busy" components - parts of the program that display stuff and give the user something to do while the real work is getting done. The Login Screen and Metro "Start" screen are all low-overhead items that are given front-facing execution priority to keep the user busy while the system initializes. Everybody is being fooled into thinking the system started faster when, in actuality, it hasn't changed at all - they just put one of the display subsystems up sooner so you think​ the start up is faster.

    Again, this isn't negative, really ... but it's smoke and mirrors on Microsoft's part. Pure marketing.

    -Max
    Last edited by Max Peck; 08 Jan 2013 at 11:06.
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  10. #130


    I'm getting more than a little frustrated with Win8 as I use it on my main PC at home. Formerly simple tasks are more difficult and require me to "think", which I hate to do! Win8 seems to be several steps backward in terms of usability as Win7 was vey efficient and useful to me. I'll stick with Win8, but only because it's part of my job to be thoroughly familiar with the current operating systems.
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