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MS new "Secure Boot" locked BIOS arrives

  1. #11


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    O, yes....I'll be in the market for a tablet over Xmas/New Year.

    I'm not even considering a Surface.

    No WinRT lock-in for me, thanks.

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  2. #12


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    Win7


    I think what has pushed them in this direction is again an overreaction to Ipad and desire to develop a lockable touchscreen tablet or phone interface that sells apps at the same time, hence the low OS price and rise of the MS Store.

    Who has gotten the short end of this stick is desktop users who don't want a touchscreen interface, especially if it interferes with a productive desktop experience. That they're not even being offered a choice on new PC's of the best OS ever for desktop experience is something the market should not tolerate without necessary correction.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Meh.

    I'm not too concerned. As long as I can take a Windows 8 PC with Secure Boot and upgrade (or do a clean install ) to Windows 9 and 10, I don't see a problem.
    You've completely missed the point
    I honestly don't see the big issue. You can't install Linux or Windows 7 over 8? See, in the land of normal tech consuming people, no one really cares. As long as it works and it works good, everything is fine and dandy. I guess the only problem is that if you're a tech head and want to use Linux or install 7 over 8 (why?!) this probably might pose an issue.
    I'm curious to know why you think that because you personally don't want to do something, that everybody else on the planet won't want to do it either? Also, how would you feel if this same lockout prevented you from installing Windows 9 or 10 on your PC? Are you going to just go out and buy a new PC with every new release of Windows?
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  4. #14


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post

    You've completely missed the point
    I honestly don't see the big issue. You can't install Linux or Windows 7 over 8? See, in the land of normal tech consuming people, no one really cares. As long as it works and it works good, everything is fine and dandy. I guess the only problem is that if you're a tech head and want to use Linux or install 7 over 8 (why?!) this probably might pose an issue.
    I'm curious to know why you think that because you personally don't want to do something, that everybody else on the planet won't want to do it either? Also, how would you feel if this same lockout prevented you from installing Windows 9 or 10 on your PC? Are you going to just go out and buy a new PC with every new release of Windows?
    I say this primarily because if the common man can install Windows 7 over 8, or Linux over 8, or just a totally different OS version on a PC; best buy, geek squad, radioshack, and the such wouldn't be in much of an existence. I mean really right now, how many people do you know that you believe aren't tech heads in any way shape or form, install their own operating system? Windows 8 is trying to fool-proof it a bit, but even then, that's not the best route. I just feel like that UEFI BIOS preventing you from installing Linux isn't a big deal as far any average consumer is concerned with. Usually, when someone says that they're buying a PC, they buy the software version with it as well. They don't go to a Windows 8 PC and say, "I'm going to install Windows 7 over this today." No, they usually will find a PC that they like, with the Windows version on it. Besides, what's the market share of Linux?

    You know, that would suck if I was locked out from installing a new Windows version. I would imagine something stupid like that wouldn't happen as Microsoft might throw a fit about that as most people just upgrade their software versus a new PC. And I would imagine consumers would throw a fit about that every time a new Windows version came out, a new PC is tacked onto a list of expenses. Realistically, I really doubt that would happen. A PC maker that only allows Windows 8 will end up allowing Windows 9 to be installed. Just imagine the customer support jams where someone needs an issue resolved, but they have Windows 8 and not 9 and can't install 9 so they need to buy a new PC.

    Or, being the non-average consumer, I would just buy an aftermarket motherboard from ASUS, and just build my own puter. Last I checked, that's still a route and will be a route to take for a LONG time.
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  5. #15


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    If I said what I wanted to say I'd likely be accused of flogging a dead horse so I'll gust let it go.
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  6. #16


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    Windows 7/8


    This is such do about nothing.

    This isn't slashdot here

    Secure boot can be turned off ay any time and any OS installed on the PC.

    Better, if Linux would get it's head out of it's collective you know what, they can release their own certificates for their distros/downloads and you can ADD your own OS certificate to the secure boot store and get the same anti-hacking benefits for Linux as well (And contrary to belief, Linux is one of the most hacked OSes there is, of course 99% of the time when used as a server, secure boot for servers will be a HUGE plus)

    So uh... where's the beef exactly?
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  7. #17


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Personally, I do not believe that either Microsoft OR the OEMs should be legally allowed to do this.

    I find it to be completely unacceptable.

    If that's going to be the future of computing, I want no part of it.
    That's just personal choice and others may have different opinions.

    I simply don't understand what the issues are? Afraid you can't boot?

    Don't buy win8 pc's and you'll be safe (for the moment).

    Finally they came out with something good! I personally hope they keep it this way.
    As I mentioned before in some post, I'm in favor of UEFI until I get issues with it, but if malware is blocked form booting, that's a good thing.

    You didn't read the details:
    HTG Explains: How Windows 8′s Secure Boot Feature Works & What It Means for Linux - How-To Geek

    Only the ARM version gets locked (and those are no Windows PC's).

    The (usual) x86 gets the ability to disable secure boot or keep it and install certificates.
    Linux is able to boot, your OS'es are able to boot, Win7 is able to boot.... what else do you need?

    It's a bit complicated in begin (compared to normal BIOS mode) but with time, one gets the habit using this stuff.

    If my PC gets infected, I'll personally blow it up, so what can UEFI do me wrong?
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  8. #18


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    Win7


    UPDATE: This great new tutorial by Theog shows how to turn off Secure Boot to install another OS: Downgrade Windows 8 to Windows 7
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  9. #19


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Great tutorial!

    It can save a lot of trouble.

    Thanks for the link gregrocker!
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  10. #20


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    Windows POS 8


    Ok guys, I just bought a new Sony VAIO SVE171290X and was planning on removing Windows 8 and installing Windows 7 and I come upon this stinkin SECURE BOOT crap. I cannot access the BIOS in the traditional way I've tried all "F" keys. Is there some key combination I do not know of?
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