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What Microsoft should have done

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    You see people posting up how they like the little squares, etc. They do not see what is going on - therefore they are easily led.
    So what you are saying is that millions of users that use cloud services and download apps on their iPhones, iPads, Android tablets and phones, Windows Phones suddenly get stupid when they are mesmerized by the live tiles of Windows 8? All of a sudden they don't realize that what they are about to do is exactly the same thing they do everywhere else? Wow...some logic there.

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  2. #22


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    ^ Hold up mate, I don't think he was saying people get stupid when they use the cloud; he was talking about the people who are not interested in using the cloud. He is saying they are slowly being led into it, unknowingly.

    I don't like being led somewhere I don't want to go. Some people don't like the cloud, including me.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by DustSailor View Post
    I don't like being led somewhere I don't want to go. Some people don't like the cloud, including me.
    I agree but one day you may be facing only the cloud option as no one will build pc anymore, IF Google and Microsoft succeed no manufacturers will be left to build the parts we need to build a PC.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by DustSailor View Post
    ^ Hold up mate, I don't think he was saying people get stupid when they use the cloud; he was talking about the people who are not interested in using the cloud. He is saying they are slowly being led into it, unknowingly.

    I don't like being led somewhere I don't want to go. Some people don't like the cloud, including me.
    I'll break some news to you...If you ever used AOL in the day, you were in the cloud. If you do online banking, you were in the cloud. If you use Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo mail etc, you are in the cloud. If you bought any Apps on your iPhone, Android or WP, you are in the cloud. If you use debit cards or credit cards to buy anything, you're in the cloud. Cloud services are everywhere and have been for a number of years, it didn't just start with Windows 8.

    It's one thing to raise valid points and concerns about "the cloud" in it's even more widening use across ALL technologies, but to consistently repeat about it as a main issue with Windows 8 and Microsoft is ignorance.
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  5. #25


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    So, you're idea is to buy a separate tablet to control your desktop (or laptop) to skip over the metro Start Screen aspect of things, but put the Start Screen aspect on the separate tablet?

    I don't know if that does benefit the consumer, it sounds like more benefit to OEMs than anything. I already have a Windows Phone, and I can just it as a remote control for my Windows 8 desktop PC. I don't totally get the concept, as it sounds a bit costly...

    Me personally, I like having some tablet functionality on my desktop. If I can play PlayStation 2 games without having to buy a PS2 and use a free emulator, why can't my PC have the same apps as my phone or apps built better for Windows? Why can't my PC, that has gone though years of being a machine strictly for work and office purposes, to internet purposes, to multimedia management, to incredible gaming experiences, and even being used to test the limits of hardware; not even be able to run a simple app that my phone does?

    I don't like having to use my four inch Windows Phone to browse a few apps that are better suited for navigation (and less adverting) in front of my desktop. I like using a large screen, a full sized keyboard, and even a touch mouse to navigate through content. And when I need to use the Desktop for some real work, it's right there! I want to take advantage of the device that I am currently using in full, and not have to outsource some tasks and content to other devices just because that's "right."

    And by the way, we've been in the cloud since email. Raising concerns about the cloud storage and failing to realize that personal emails and other sensitive content has been out of your hands and reach for a LONG time now is a fairly rash thing to do if I should say so...
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  6. #26


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    LOL RobR the rude and Cokie the joker. Fine pair of advocates there.
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And by the way, we've been in the cloud since email. Raising concerns about the cloud storage and failing to realize that personal emails and other sensitive content has been out of your hands and reach for a LONG time now is a fairly rash thing to do if I should say so...
    Nah, you're not fully thinking about this. Who's got their own email server? Who actually wants that? The big concerns with cloud aren't related to email. It's - do I get to have my own copy of an OS or Office or any program? Am I gonna have to keep all my files on the cloud? Gee, The Cloud is down, can't do anything because all my crap is on The Cloud. What happens to your data if your cloud service is cancelled or they go out of business or you want to move to another cloud? Do you trust The Cloud People not manipulating your data? Do you trust your data is secure from non-Cloudies?
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  8. #28


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    Folk pay hundreds of dollars a month for their TV service. They pay a monthly fee for their smartphone. No reason why they can't be cajoled into doing the same for the use of the os. One way to do that is to get them to cough up for the online services they have been led into. They probably didn't know where it was headed when they started getting a few apps. doing the synchronise thing - storing stuff up there - then gradually, it is quite hard to unravel all that. So you pay. After a while , you sort of forget what it was like before - you just think it has to be like that.

    It becomes uneconomic to manufacture pc parts in large numbers - software makers can't afford to keep catering to the few who still want control of their own stuff on their own pc .


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    ...one day you may be facing only the cloud option as no one will build pc anymore, IF Google and Microsoft succeed no manufacturers will be left to build the parts we need to build a PC.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And by the way, we've been in the cloud since email. Raising concerns about the cloud storage and failing to realize that personal emails and other sensitive content has been out of your hands and reach for a LONG time now is a fairly rash thing to do if I should say so...
    Nah, you're not fully thinking about this. Who's got their own email server? Who actually wants that? The big concerns with cloud aren't related to email. It's - do I get to have my own copy of an OS or Office or any program? Am I gonna have to keep all my files on the cloud? Gee, The Cloud is down, can't do anything because all my crap is on The Cloud. What happens to your data if your cloud service is cancelled or they go out of business or you want to move to another cloud? Do you trust The Cloud People not manipulating your data? Do you trust your data is secure from non-Cloudies?
    Those are legitimate concerns. But the idea of cloud computing is something still far out from now, until EVERY single household, or at least a vast majority of them, have wireless high speed internet; that just won't happen. Having to store files on a cloud server is much like store files on physical media. Do I have the latest copy of this file on my flash drive? Where is my flash drive? Someone stole my flash drive! I backed up my files onto my external drive, but it doesn't work anymore. My PC's hard drive died and everything I had was lost. Can't do crap.

    It really becomes more of a question of WHO you can trust for cloud storage. I don't trust google as they've already shown that they can go through your email to advertise specifically to you. As for SkyDrive, that's yet to be seen. And as for others, could be questionable if the government stakes their claim that they own anything on cloud storage. Then again, they could claim that they own your PC....
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  10. #30


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    I'm not totally against this stuff, Cokie. The idea of using the cloud as a backup I think is a great idea. But your own media = your responsibility. Leaving it up to Cloudies makes you 100% dependent on them. Not a fan of that. Thing is, with all these teenie tiny devices there's going to be a lot more Cloudies handling your stuff. I don't know what you can do to change that. Can't think of anything off the top of my head. Might be screwed. Oh well.
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