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  1. #171


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    You bet! That's how they sell things however by providing you with the "theorized" data which then gets tossed up against the actual every day usage and ? "Hey where is the promised speeds?!" #@$* Ripoff!

    What most won't realize is even the Real World speeds will vary at times. Take for instance copying the same large folder from one drive to the nex at different times or on a different day. One time the folder copies in a couple of minutes seemingly fast while the next time it seems to drag on and on. Something else could be accessing the drive or taking up cpu time through explorer.

    The same can be said for OSs as well. While someone will report 8 taking off like a rocket on one system the next person reports an older version is moving along faster then 8 on their own hardware combination. The rule of thought is finding out which will actually work out the best hardware wise as well as finding out which OS will best suit your own personal needs since not all are the exact same!

    With each version some will find what they are looking for as if they had just built their ideal gaming rig. The next person to come along however will think he or she downgraded severely! With each new version some will find the glich while others only faults. Companies like MS, Google, or the Fruit company will want to stress all of their selling points regardless of what any user may think just as hardware manufacturers will list the alledged maximum speeds in order to sell their wares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The estimated speeds of course are those being seen at "peak" speeds under ideal circumstances never Real World actual speeds. People expect the maximum all the time and it won't happen!
    I'd like to see 50% of the maximum speed occur at least once!
    The same is true for internal SATA HDDs too.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a Class Action lawsuit in the US over this.
    Didn't someone try to sue over the storage capacity of HDDs?

    Imagine buying:
    • A TV, which touts 600 available channels and when you get it home it could actually only display 90
    • A car, which touts 600 MPG and it never exceed 90 MPG
    • A car, which touts 100 MPH and yet it never exceed 16 MPH

    There would be a huge outcry and lawsuits, "left, right and centre".

    This seems to be another example of how computers/software are treated differently to other consumer products.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    My motherboard doesn't support USB3, I had to buy a card to go with my 1.5TB portable, I must admit I'm very disappointed with the minor speed increase over USB2, I thought it would be huge.

    I'd love to hear from anyone using USB3 for very large file transfers to see what sort of speed they get because I'm only averaging around 60MB/s.
    Agreed.
    They are touted as being 10x faster and yet the reality is more like 3x.
    Yep, I've never been more disappointed with any tech in my life as I have been with USB3, I almost feel like suing somebody over this myself. I was really looking forward to getting a huge speed increase as I move Terrabytes of movie files and it takes forever over USB2 but not much better over USB3.
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    Except some will insist Windows 8 runs faster on anything ever built, name a device/OS and they'll say they tried it and Windows 8 was faster.
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    When setting up the dual boots with the CP and RP builds here as well as seeing Linux Mint Debian go on the second drive guess which OS ran faster overall? 8 and LMD competed for who was faster on startup with 8 starting up faster then 7. Guess who shuts down faster? It wasn't 7 or 8 since they managed about the same once 8 was loaded up with programs. LMD holds the fastest startup and shutdown times!

    USB 3.0 compared to 2.0 here? Haven't shelled out the "extra" do re' me for the high price tags for a new 3.0 flash drive. Why pay out $100 for a 16gb when I can get a 32gb for half that much and not suffer any? The 1tb WD Green Power drive presently in an external 2.0 enclosure can stay right where it is since that holds images for two laptops neither with 3.0 ports to begin with and a 7 micro atx mini tower with carrying handle for portable and remote desktop projects. Most of the time the drive sits around not even being turned on except to grab a newer image off one of those 3 pcs.

    Another thing that will greatly effect performance besides which hardwares are in use is just what type of software environment you have to work with. With a ton of startups and clutter you can slow the works on any OS. With 8 still being the new kid on the block Windows customizations, themes, and other tweaks are still to be seen where some can effect overall performance. Make any version too fancy or load it up with too much and you end up taking a performance hit regardless of the advertised claims at how fast something is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Except some will insist Windows 8 runs faster on anything ever built, name a device/OS and they'll say they tried it and Windows 8 was faster.
    Well it does file transfers around 20% faster on my PCs, unfortunately the PCIe USB3 card I bought isn't compatible with Windows 8 so I have to rely on Windows 7 to do the heavy lifting for now.
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  6. #176


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    When setting up the dual boots with the CP and RP builds here as well as seeing Linux Mint Debian go on the second drive guess which OS ran faster overall? 8 and LMD competed for who was faster on startup with 8 starting up faster then 7. Guess who shuts down faster? It wasn't 7 or 8 since they managed about the same once 8 was loaded up with programs. LMD holds the fastest startup and shutdown times!

    USB 3.0 compared to 2.0 here? Haven't shelled out the "extra" do re' me for the high price tags for a new 3.0 flash drive. Why pay out $100 for a 16gb when I can get a 32gb for half that much and not suffer any? The 1tb WD Green Power drive presently in an external 2.0 enclosure can stay right where it is since that holds images for two laptops neither with 3.0 ports to begin with and a 7 micro atx mini tower with carrying handle for portable and remote desktop projects. Most of the time the drive sits around not even being turned on except to grab a newer image off one of those 3 pcs.

    Another thing that will greatly effect performance besides which hardwares are in use is just what type of software environment you have to work with. With a ton of startups and clutter you can slow the works on any OS. With 8 still being the new kid on the block Windows customizations, themes, and other tweaks are still to be seen where some can effect overall performance. Make any version too fancy or load it up with too much and you end up taking a performance hit regardless of the advertised claims at how fast something is.
    I'm going to play around with Mint a bit more, I'll probably do a dual boot with Puppy and Mint on an old HDD, I might even do a triple boot with Ubuntu or some other Distros.
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    Puppy is one of the smallest and will fly! That's still quite a bit lighter then ubuntu even. The Linux Mint is not compatible with the Linux Mint Debian since that is still ubuntu compatible for their regular releases. The LMDebian falls under "Debian Testing" by the way which sees update packets while only the apps you choose to install would see newer versions for that one.

    Both will be found a bit larger requiring a dvd for live disk or a good sized flash drive like you would use for the 64 Windows install key. Ubuntu still hasn't grown too big for cd yet however but should still be slightly faster on startup then either of the two LMint releases. I prefer to instlall from a live stick over dvd while I will custom install the LMD to a flash using the dvd.

    The one thing that explains why 8 boots faster is from not only further progression with the MinWin kernel first seen with 7 but having seen MS start stripping away at the OS itself removing dvd playback support as well as the Media Center in making for a lighter OS. Their concept is focusing more towards the "Cloud" reality as well as the mobile market at this time. Vista got the bad rap for being a bloated Windows when MS failed to raise up the actual minimum system specs needed to run it! While having some bugs like removing all but 2gb of memory to install the 64bit and not reporting all memory on the 32bit fixed with SP1 it did shine over the problem plagued XP showing MS held off from supplying the needed fixes there until SP3 was out.

    With the newer versions of 7 and now 8 MS had to take a stand back and decide to come out with a working OS in order to get back on their scheduled 2-3yrs. time frame for each new version. When people complained about Windows costing too much they got a surprise with 8's low intro prices down to $15! But that also meant MS stripped out some of the things people expected to still be finding included. OOPS! Something has to give way to see lower price tags as you don't get anything for nothing that works at least from MS!
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    Taking out Media Center and making people pay for it is downright daft, all it will do is promote the likes of VLC. If I could find a player that will show live TV, I'd dump Media Center anyway, as it's always having problems but, unfortunately, there's nothing else about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Taking out Media Center and making people pay for it is downright daft, all it will do is promote the likes of VLC. If I could find a player that will show live TV, I'd dump Media Center anyway, as it's always having problems but, unfortunately, there's nothing else about.
    What's wrong with XBMC, absolutely the best media player around for things like recording live TV and streaming movies.
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    The tv tuner card not the one in use but another model has it's own form of AverMedia Center but I was never able to get that to work with any composite a/v source including old camcorders or vcrs with the additional line in option. None of them will detect the cable tv service when going to scan channels except for one channel only. That should give you an idea of how much I use that one anyways!

    For a free player VLC has a great rep on the other hand and makes a good sub for WMP 12 in 7 for vcd projects. At least that fares far better then other players like RealPlayer for a price while I would prefer Cyberlink's PowerDVD for a paid option! On 8 I would still simply download the latest VLC version and call it a day for having a dvd player onboard.
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