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    There is a big difference to know here between 1.6ghz on a Tablet over 1.6ghz on a desktop! Tablets as a rule range from older 800mhz upwards of 1.8ghz as the norm there. They are instant display working strictly from SSD type storage to display while a desktop has a series of post tests to start with when the board testing the hardwares as well as the initial detection and loading of device drivers seen in Window.

    Comparing an 8 Tablet to even a Win8 desktop is pointless for these types of reason why making startup time comparison. Two totally different platforms entirely. In fact when comparing how fast things load on different platforms an OEM not custom installed but preinstalled OEM copy of Vista or 7 on a laptop will take on a 7/8 desktop when looking at how fast you reach the desktop on a laptop over your home pc.

    The rule of thumb is a lighter OS to begin with. The OEMs tweak their preinstalls a bit differently to work well with the hardwares provided when compared to your typical custom build with your own Windows install seen. The actual reason simply put is the "lighter footprint" seen with the two different platforms there. Any tablet, smartbook has an even lighter footprint when the OS is embedded!

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  2. #162


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    The thing is, the new generation doesn't want to wait, and I don't anymore either, I'm used to working a certain way. I don't really care what Windows has to do. If I want to look something up quickly, I pick up my phone, hit the button, it's on and I search and it's there all in just a few seconds, same thing with a tablet.

    That's part of the reason I like Windows 8, the other part is, I don't close down Apps I leave them open and very quickly switch between them, much quicker than Windows 7.

    Having played around with Android and IOS for quite some time, I've always known that I would want Windows on a tablet, because of the limitations of the other two. Windows 8 is now giving me that choice, now the rest of the world has to wake up to the fact that this is the future, or kiss goodbye to Windows altogether and pick one of the other two, hopefully not Apple.
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  3. #163


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    Not to me


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    HDD space is mostly irrelevant because its now measured in Terabytes, even 32GB USB sticks are now the norm and portable HDDs are 1TB.
    HDD space might be irrelevant to you, but not to me.
    I recently spent 2 days redistributing my HDD partitions (to liberate extra space for some, by removing it from others) because I can't afford to buy a new HDD.

    That extra 10GB of space (#156) could hold:
    • 1000 mp3s (10MB)
    • 10000 pictures (1MB)
    • 200000 more Word documents (50KB)


    USB sticks are horribly slow.
    That 10 GB of extra HDD space, runs at PC speed, not the "snail's pace" of USB2 or USB3.
    I say "snail's pace", because they certainly don't run at 60MB/s or 600MB/s that the standard implies.
    My internal SATA II HDD regularly outperforms, my external USB3 HDD.

    Not everyone can afford to rush out and buy a new larger HDD every 6 months (well ... I can't).

    HDD prices for most sizes still haven't dropped down to where they were 2 years ago:
    • 2TB HDDs still cost more today, than they did in August 2011.
    • 3TB HDDs are cheaper now though.
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  4. #164


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    HDD space is mostly irrelevant because its now measured in Terabytes, even 32GB USB sticks are now the norm and portable HDDs are 1TB.
    HDD space might be irrelevant to you, but not to me.
    I recently spent 2 days redistributing my HDD partitions (to liberate extra space for some, by removing it from others) because I can't afford to buy a new HDD.

    That extra 10GB of space could hold:
    • 1000 mp3s (10MB)
    • 10000 pictures (1MB)
    • 200000 more Word documents (50KB)


    USB sticks are horribly slow.
    That 10 GB of extra HDD space, runs at PC speed, not the "snail's pace" of USB2 or USB3.
    I say "snail's pace", because they certainly don't run at 60MB/s or 600MB/s that the standard implies.
    My internal SATA II HDD regularly outperforms, my external USB3 HDD.

    Not everyone can afford to rush out and buy a new larger HDD every 6 months (well ... I can't).

    HDD prices for most sizes still haven't dropped down to where they were 2 years ago:
    • 2TB HDDs still cost more today, than they did in August 2011.
    • 3TB HDDs are cheaper now though.
    Yeah unfortunately the floods in Thailand did quite a bit of damage, but just a couple of weeks ago I bought a 1.5TB USB3 Portable for around $140 which I thought was reasonable, I can get about 60MB/s on that. I was expecting quite a bit faster though.
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    Well, I've just deleted Vista Business from my Fujitsu P1610 and I'm going back to Linux Mint. What a pile of dogs turds Vista is on a low powered notebook. Other than its utter glacial speed doing anything, the final straw was the constant failure of the WiFi to connect.

    By comparison, on starting the Mint installation, the first thing Mint did was detect the wireless and ask if I wanted to connect. Select yes, type in the password and the connection was immediately established and downloads commenced as part of the installation. This is what should happen with every OS in a world that is so wireless dependent.

    If Linux were to get a major injection of funding/interest from a significant corporation, with deep pockets, that wanted to take on Microsoft/Apple/Google, there'd be serious competitor on the scene.

    And I might add a postscript here, setting up Thunderbird email had to be the easiest thing on the planet (I hadn't enabled it previously). Just type in your email address and password and it established everything in a second or so. No requirement to install POP/SMPT addresses or anything, all done for you. Linux has made some serious progress from the days of having to do everything via the Terminal.
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  6. #166


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    USB2 vs USB3


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    ... I bought a 1.5TB USB3 Portable for around $140 which I thought was reasonable, I can get about 60MB/s on that. I was expecting quite a bit faster though.
    I got a Buffalo 2TB USB3 HDD (Desktop) for $49 a few weeks ago (I had $70 worth of Myers vouchers).

    Ironically, I get a better "Return On Investment" from USB2 devices.

    My USB2 HDDs almost always exceed 40% of their theoretical maximum (24MB/s out of 60MB/s).
    My USB3 devices never exceed 15% of their theoretical maximum (90MB/s out of 600MB/s).
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  7. #167


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    ... I bought a 1.5TB USB3 Portable for around $140 which I thought was reasonable, I can get about 60MB/s on that. I was expecting quite a bit faster though.
    I got a Buffalo 2TB USB3 HDD (Desktop) for $49 a few weeks ago (I had $70 worth of Myers vouchers).

    Ironically, I get a better "Return On Investment" from USB2 devices.

    My USB2 HDDs almost always exceed 40% of their theoretical maximum (24MB/s out of 60MB/s).
    My USB3 devices never exceed 15% of their theoretical maximum (90MB/s out of 600MB/s).
    Yes my USB3 usually starts off at around 100MB/s but settles down to about 60MB/s, I might hook a V8 up to it.
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  8. #168


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    I still use usb 2.0 flash drives as well as the two OS internal drives being Sata II while the pair of storage drives are the newer Sata III Black editions. I never did notice any significant boost when performing copy and paste operations with large folders between the S3 drives over any pair of S2 models! The estimated speeds of course are those being seen at "peak" speeds under ideal circumstances never Real World actual speeds. People expect the maximum all the time and it won't happen!

    As for Linux Mint I had some trouble trying to install the 12 and 13 releases while the Linux Mint Debian goes right on anything I choose whether VBox, VM Player, the second OS drive, a good sized flash drive, etc. with ease! The connection online is instant since no user name and password is required with the cable connection here as you would have needed for the previous(severely outdated) dsl account.

    These newer Linux flavors have been worked out by constantly seeing independent contributions from an endless supply of programmers explaining why the set up of each seen out now is much easier then it had been in past years. The hardware detection now being seen as well as distros having an improved driver base to work over the need to search and destroy the web looking for them includes the instant Wi-Fi detection and configuration. In some ways MS still has to play catch up while the last version was easier then anything previous! Even with Vista 7 edges by in more then one direction.

    Hard drive capacities anyone? The common term still isn't terrabytes but gigabytes as not everyone is ruuning a drive 1tb or larger.
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    Unfortunately when you're into Home Theatre like I am, Gigabytes means nothing, it's all about the Terrabytes, especially when you start ripping Blu Ray. You can only get just over 20 movies on 1TB. In total I would have around 10 Terrabytes of space on two NAS and some 1TB and 2TB drives as well as 2TB in 2.5" portables.

    My motherboard doesn't support USB3, I had to buy a card to go with my 1.5TB portable, I must admit I'm very disappointed with the minor speed increase over USB2, I thought it would be huge.

    I'd love to hear from anyone using USB3 for very large file transfers to see what sort of speed they get because I'm only averaging around 60MB/s.
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    I'd like to see ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The estimated speeds of course are those being seen at "peak" speeds under ideal circumstances never Real World actual speeds. People expect the maximum all the time and it won't happen!
    I'd like to see 50% of the maximum speed occur at least once!
    The same is true for internal SATA HDDs too.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a Class Action lawsuit in the US over this.
    Didn't someone try to sue over the storage capacity of HDDs?

    Imagine buying:
    • A TV, which touts 600 available channels and when you get it home it could actually only display 90
    • A car, which touts 600 MPG and it never exceed 90 MPG
    • A car, which touts 100 MPH and yet it never exceed 16 MPH

    There would be a huge outcry and lawsuits, "left, right and centre".

    This seems to be another example of how computers/software are treated differently to other consumer products.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    My motherboard doesn't support USB3, I had to buy a card to go with my 1.5TB portable, I must admit I'm very disappointed with the minor speed increase over USB2, I thought it would be huge.

    I'd love to hear from anyone using USB3 for very large file transfers to see what sort of speed they get because I'm only averaging around 60MB/s.
    Agreed.
    They are touted as being 10x faster and yet the reality is more like 3x.
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