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  1. #151


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I've got nothing against Linux and will keep a couple of Distros on sticks to play around with and in case of emergencies, or if Microsoft brings back the Start Menu.
    That's a good one!

    I don't think they'll bring it back but it's still possible.

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  2. #152


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Like I said I'm a bit disappointed by the speed of these Distros, Windows 8 leaves them in the dust. Today I tried XBMCUbuntu on a HTPC booting from a USB, by the time it booted up, I could have booted into Windows 8 started XBMC and watched about 5 minutes of a movie.
    USB Flash stick or HDD?
    I created a Ubuntu install on a USB Flash stick and it was a lot slower than running it from the Live CD.

    Are you saying W8 runs properly from the same USB device?

    I'm not sure what's wrong with your hardware.

    On my PC:
    OS
    Boot Time
    Ubuntu 10 LTS (64bit) ~30s
    Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) ~30s
    Windows 8 (64bit) ~35s
    Windows 7 (64bit) ~45s
    Windows XP ~55s
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 13 Jul 2013 at 22:04.
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  3. #153


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I'm not sure what's wrong with your hardware.
    There's nothing wrong with his hardware, it's just BS, like politics, to hype up Windows 8. You know what they say about politicians? If their lips are moving, they're lying.
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  4. #154


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Like I said I'm a bit disappointed by the speed of these Distros, Windows 8 leaves them in the dust. Today I tried XBMCUbuntu on a HTPC booting from a USB, by the time it booted up, I could have booted into Windows 8 started XBMC and watched about 5 minutes of a movie.
    USB Flash stick or HDD?
    I created a Ubuntu install on a USB Flash stick and it was a lot slower than running it from the Live CD.

    Are you saying W8 runs properly from the same USB device?

    I'm not sure what's wrong with your hardware.

    On my PC:
    OS
    Boot Time
    Ubuntu 10 LTS (64bit) ~30s
    Linux Mint (MATE) (64 bit) ~30s
    Windows 8 (64bit) ~35s
    Windows 7 (64bit) ~45s
    Windows XP ~55s
    I don't want to get too bogged down here, maybe Linux doesn't like the old Compaq M2000 and I don't feel like putting XP back on there to run a time trial, but I can assure you it booted quicker than Linux.
    The point I'm trying to make is that Linux is getting bloated compared to what it was in the past. Even by your own figures there's no real reason to install Linux to get a huge increase in speed because it just isn't there.

    I agree booting from a USB is pathetic even more, even Puppy Linux is a bit slow to boot from a USB.
    Please people I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything, just telling you what I found on an old Notebook. I'm sure if you put all OS on an SSD on a brand new PC the difference would be virtually zero.

    Like I said I'll keep playing around with a few more Distros over the next few weeks just to see what's going on in the Linux world, so far I'm still pretty amazed with Puppy an old favourite of mine and it's certainly climbed up the charts. It's ability to find my wireless networks effortlessly is pretty amazing for an OS that's just 160MB.
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  5. #155


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by McRuff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Like I said I'm a bit disappointed by the speed of these Distros, Windows 8 leaves them in the dust. Today I tried XBMCUbuntu on a HTPC booting from a USB, by the time it booted up, I could have booted into Windows 8 started XBMC and watched about 5 minutes of a movie.
    How is that a fair comparison. Comparing a slow USB 2 key against the start up time for a internal Hard Drive, was it a SSD?)

    I Compared them on a sort of level playing field using VirtualBox loading from a mechanical Hard Disk. I timed both Win 8 and Mint booting to the Desktop. Windows 8 started in 42 seconds and Mint 14 Started in 29
    That's a good point! I had all three on one hard drive at different times here but it wasn't Linux Mint 13 or 14 but Linux Mint Debian which loaded up faster then both 7 and 8 with the CP and RP builds edging by 7 to a degree when installed on both hard drive and VMs. I still have the RP and LMDebian release on VMs. LMDebian is also on a flash drive as well as having made up the Win8 flash install sometime back with the CP build.

    So what is the big difference about? NADA here! When I hit the power button on the case I usually step out for a bit to take care of something before getting glued to the screen for any amount of time. While not using a stop watch I simply observed the boot times by seeing how long it takes for each to get past the loading drivers part and finally arriving at the desktop with 7 and Linux but now hold the enter key down at the 8 Welcome screen to arrive at the desktop.

    As a rule a Linux distro usually ubuntu or Puppy, Darn Small, Zenwalk, or other are typically the smaller releases while Mandriva(formerly Mandrake), Fedora, Knoppix Live dvd(once was a live cd years back), Linux Mint(was larger then ubuntu from the get go), and others simply have grown in size over the years as more things have been inclluded in each newer release. The Linux Mint Debian 2010 then updated 2011 release comes prepackaged with 200 app options where you update the apps and desktop while the core is a one time release there. For a larger dvd sized distro with a large number of prepackaged apps it does quite well booting off a flash drive or while on the second internal drive here for a time.

    The main item of concern however has never been which boots faster but "just what" you would use each OS for! For Linux flavors having a look at the other OS as well as data recovery tools when live on disk or usb flash drive has it's own purposes.

    For Windows on the other hand most obviously realize that's where the pc games are marketed for despite open source apps like Wine or some VM ware. The gamers want the frame rates as well as fast and responsive OS while in most cases despite being the faster, lighter OS various Linux distros are now only beginning to see things like Steam for Linux. You still have to fall back on Windows! We won't count desktop apps since every OS has them to begin with.
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  6. #156


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    The point I'm trying to make is that Linux is getting bloated compared to what it was in the past.
    Agreed, but that is the result of trying to make them more like Windows.

    However, Linux Distros still uses a fraction of the HDD space that Windows does:
    OS + Programs (excluding Swap, Page File and Hibernation) Size
    Windows XP (32 bit) ~5 GB
    Linux Mint (MATE) (64 bit) ~6 GB
    Windows 7 (64bit) ~19 GB


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Even by your own figures there's no real reason to install Linux to get a huge increase in speed because it just isn't there.
    Boot times have never worried me (unlike some people who post on online PC forums).
    The only time I worry about boot time is when my PC takes longer than usual to boot.
    Also it's easier to measure boot times, than it is to measure program start up times.

    The times I listed are the usual boot times, but they are also wildly variable (and I don't mean as the result of updates):
    OS
    Boot Time Spread
    Ubuntu 10 (64 bit) 25s - 60s
    Windows 7 (64 bit) 29s -96s

    On my PC, multi-OS programs generally run smoother (faster?) on Linux, than they do on Windows (e.g. Firefox and GIMP).
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  7. #157


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    5gb is now starting to get tight even for ubuntu. Puppy being one of the smallest still fares well for that however. Recommend at least 8gb for Linux Mint Debian probably 5-6gb for the regular Linux Mint releases not having the install options for all those apps wrapped up in those releases.

    Still waiting to give the FireFox OS a lookover however. I might get to that one sometime!
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  8. #158


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    The point I'm trying to make is that Linux is getting bloated compared to what it was in the past.
    Agreed, but that is the result of trying to make them more like Windows.

    However, Linux Distros still uses a fraction of the HDD space that Windows does:
    OS + Programs (excluding Swap, Page File and Hibernation) Size
    Windows XP (32 bit) ~5 GB
    Linux Mint (MATE) (64 bit) ~6 GB
    Windows 7 (64bit) ~19 GB


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Even by your own figures there's no real reason to install Linux to get a huge increase in speed because it just isn't there.
    Boot times have never worried me (unlike some people who post on online PC forums).
    The only time I worry about boot time is when my PC takes longer than usual to boot.
    Also it's easier to measure boot times, than it is to measure program start up times.

    The times I listed are the usual boot times, but they are also wildly variable (and I don't mean as the result of updates):
    OS
    Boot Time Spread
    Ubuntu 10 (64 bit) 25s - 60s
    Windows 7 (64 bit) 29s -96s

    On my PC, multi-OS programs generally run smoother (faster?) on Linux, than they do on Windows (e.g. Firefox and GIMP).
    HDD space is mostly irrelevant because its now measured in Terabytes, even 32GB USB sticks are now the norm and portable HDDs are 1TB.
    Because I use tablets a lot I'm used to having instant on, so boot times are important to me, and because I don't use the PCs that much anymore, I don't leave them on all day or even on sleep. Windows 8 on an SSD is almost instant, it takes longer to type in the password than Bootup.
    I think that's why I like Windows 8 so much, I actually spend a lot more time on there now than I did on Windows 7, for me at least it's easier to get around and I'm used to apps. I think I read somewhere that people that use tablets like Windows 8 more because of the similarities in working.
    I bought four licences because its given my older PCs a new lease on life, and for my HTPC'S it's absolutely ideal. I tried XBMCUbuntu on one, boy was that a mistake and I LOVE XBMC.
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  9. #159


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    The gui on 8 was designed specifically for Tablets to begin with being borrowed from Windows RT the OS for the new MS Surface Tablets. When using a hand held device or gadget constantly you get accustomed to that platform. This is why 8 works for you but you only to some extent.

    The real problem with 8 however is taking that Tablet gui and calling it a desktop release for those of us who don't use Tablets or IPads, smart phones regularly. Even laptops regardless of version tend to see the desktop appear faster since OEMs block out from view the actual post screens with the factory logo screen. You still have to shut down the same way however not simply pressing the on/off button to avoid seeing disk errors appear over time.

    The thing I found which actually effects the boot time isn't even the OS you are running Windows or other but what? The hardwares! Try jumping from a 2 or 2.2ghzz single core cpu into a 3.2ghz dual or quad core cpu as well as jumping up from 2gb to 4, 8, or now 16gb of memory on just a mechanical drive. The OS will suddenly load up like lightning in comparison!

    Since we are bringing in Linux into the equation I thought I would add this one about what people are saying is better for Tablet? With embedded OSs I might tend to agree! Mark Shuttleworth: Serious people are saying Ubuntu is better than Windows 8 on tablets | ZDNet
    Last edited by Night Hawk; 01 Mar 2013 at 20:55. Reason: Additional information
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  10. #160


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    I've got it running on two 1.6 GHZ Dual Core Atom HTPCs and it still boots up pretty quick, a lot quicker than W7, and everything is just generally snappier. I can watch HD videos streamed from YouTube with no problems or Movies from my NAS through XBMC.

    The other two PCs both run at 3GHZ, just old dual cores, and with Windows 8 on them there's just no need to upgrade. I suppose I'll upgrade one day, but at the moment they're both fast enough for me.
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