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  1. #141


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by evereti View Post
    Installed on USB hard drive it is much quicker than Win7 or Win8.
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I've got nothing against Linux and have got the latest Mint, Ubuntu and Puppy Distros, but I don't know where you get that Mint is faster than Windows 7 and 8, especially Windows 8. 8 is much faster than Mint or Ubuntu.
    It depends what you are comparing.

    Linux Mint 14 (MATE) boots faster than W7 (or XP) on my PC (from the internal HDD).
    Firefox, GIMP and VMs seem to run faster.

    Since W8 has its special "not really turned off" mode, it's possible that it starts faster.

    The W8 previews completed the standard boot sequence, 6s - 9s faster, than W7 on my PC (Ubuntu 10 was still faster).

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  2. #142


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by evereti View Post
    Installed on USB hard drive it is much quicker than Win7 or Win8.
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I've got nothing against Linux and have got the latest Mint, Ubuntu and Puppy Distros, but I don't know where you get that Mint is faster than Windows 7 and 8, especially Windows 8. 8 is much faster than Mint or Ubuntu.
    It depends what you are comparing.

    Linux Mint 14 (MATE) boots faster than W7 (or XP) on my PC (from the internal HDD).
    Firefox, GIMP and VMs seem to run faster.

    Since W8 has its special "not really turned off" mode, it's possible that it starts faster.

    The W8 previews completed the standard boot sequence, 6s - 9s faster, than W7 on my PC (Ubuntu 10 was still faster).
    Like I said I'm a bit disappointed by the speed of these Distros, Windows 8 leaves them in the dust. Today I tried XBMCUbuntu on a HTPC booting from a USB, by the time it booted up, I could have booted into Windows 8 started XBMC and watched about 5 minutes of a movie.
    I still like Linux as a free OS with lots of goodies on it, but I'm now really hooked on Windows 8, I can get around that a lot quicker than anything else. For me I'm getting two OS for the price of one, and some of the apps in the store are starting to get better.

    I could never go back to Windows 7 or any other OS full time, while I still use them occasionally, for me Windows 8 is the best. I just hope the developers wake up and start putting out more apps for Windows 8, because I think that Surface is going to be a major hit by the look of it.
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  3. #143


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    A song was written about Bill in 1974: LEO SAYER - ONE MAN BAND - YouTube.
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  4. #144


    New Zealand
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    Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Like I said I'm a bit disappointed by the speed of these Distros, Windows 8 leaves them in the dust. Today I tried XBMCUbuntu on a HTPC booting from a USB, by the time it booted up, I could have booted into Windows 8 started XBMC and watched about 5 minutes of a movie.
    How is that a fair comparison. Comparing a slow USB 2 key against the start up time for a internal Hard Drive, was it a SSD?)

    I Compared them on a sort of level playing field using VirtualBox loading from a mechanical Hard Disk. I timed both Win 8 and Mint booting to the Desktop. Windows 8 started in 42 seconds and Mint 14 Started in 29
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  5. #145


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by McRuff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Like I said I'm a bit disappointed by the speed of these Distros, Windows 8 leaves them in the dust. Today I tried XBMCUbuntu on a HTPC booting from a USB, by the time it booted up, I could have booted into Windows 8 started XBMC and watched about 5 minutes of a movie.
    How is that a fair comparison. Comparing a slow USB 2 key against the start up time for a internal Hard Drive, was it a SSD?)

    I Compared them on a sort of level playing field using VirtualBox loading from a mechanical Hard Disk. I timed both Win 8 and Mint booting to the Desktop. Windows 8 started in 42 seconds and Mint 14 Started in 29
    Don't let minor issues like that get in the way when it comes to proving that Windows 8 is the bestest, greatest, OS ever created. The Man has now tested just about every variation of Linux in order to prove that they are all inferior to Windows 8. The Man owns three iPads, was one the first in the world to buy an iPad Mini, owns cupboards full of Android devices, even a HTC One-X, and if you mention a device, he probably has one.
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  6. #146


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    Unlike a lot - I'm now finally saying GOODBYE to Linux.

    I have used Linux for ages for file / print servers but these days the simplest system is just a Bog standard Windows 8 Pro system -- no problems with drivers etc etc -- especially if all you need to do is basic file share.

    Windows 8 installs (especially on an SSD) in about 7 mins flat, has almost NO issues with drivers etc and is very efficient these days.
    This IMO will beat ANY Linux distro hands down - especially these days as packages become ever more bloated when all you want is a basic system with a minimal amount of applications installed.

    Of course Linux has some great features -- Shell scripting, CRONTAB for scheduling jobs etc -- but for the scenario I'm using at home I really don't need this type of stuff.

    Also if when I'm away and the server needs to be re-booted - well anyone in the house can boot Windows -- it's not so easy always to start up a Linux server correctly unless you know what you are doing. Even where I am with essentially quite abundant power it's not unknown to have a power cut and a UPS at home is IMO also grossly overkill.

    Whatever the drawbacks or otherwise of Windows you DO get to choose what you install on it so it's quite simple to prepare a "Minimal" Windows system.

    Just boot up Windows ONCE like you do with a Linux server, then forget it -- You don't even need to attach a monitor to it - just RDP from one of the clients if you need to do anything on the server. You NEVER need to see the Metro GUI / Desktop or whatever and you can run whatever clients you want as the W8 system is just used as a basic file server.

    All I have installed on the W8 server is drivers for printers, my own Internet gateway, Mail server, and Multimedia server.
    Works absolutely EASY -- even a total noob could get a decent basic server system going if they just needed basic file and printing shares.

    I also have a Windows 2003 Virtual server installed on this machine but for most people they won't need to run virtual machines from a basic file server - but there isn't actually any difficulty to adding these as well -- but DON'T make your server TOO COMPLICATED or install anything other than the most basic stuff -- you aren't going to use this machine as a daily working desktop type of machine. It's just a SERVER.

    My only gripe - if it can be called a serious gripe is that for a SERVER you don't want "Automatic updates" switched on --especially if the updates require a re-boot. I want to leave the wretched thing on for MONTHS at a time and forget it.

    I'm not too worried about updating the security between reboots on the server as it itself won't be used for directly accessing the Internet and my router blocks any MAC numbers not logged into it from accessing the Internal network from "the public Internet" or remotely.

    (Security on the Client computers is of course another matter).

    Being a TechNet subscriber I did try Windows 2012 Server -- but for what I want to do it's a bit grossly overkill and not really ideal for a Home network.

    There are a maximum of 7 client computers on my network plus a Virtual Windows 2003 Server which has some specialized legacy hardware connected to it. Mostly there are only 2 or 3 connected at any one time -- and the W8 system is perfectly efficient enough at providing more than adequate response on the shared drives etc.

    I've had a GREAT time with Linux and learned a lot - but W8 used as a real simple server works absolutely great - so I'm pulling the plug on my days with Linux.

    I'll only go back if Ms persist in making everything Subscription / Cloud based.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #147


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by quickslvr View Post
    Basically i liked its boot time in 10 sec.great
    But you've missed the whole point ===> If the system is only booted up ONCE in say 6 months who gives a flying TOSS about the boot time. I don't care if it takes 10 mins - (it doesn't of course) because it's basically in my case a ONE OFF operation - and even if it did take 10 mins -- go and have a coffee / whisky/beer / kiss your partner or do anything you want to.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #148


    Basically i liked its boot time in 10 sec.great
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  9. #149


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by quickslvr View Post
    Basically i liked its boot time in 10 sec.great
    You obviously can't read -- double post I think -- but check again about how unimportant a 10 sec boot time is when the machine might only be booted ONCE in a YEAR.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #150


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by McRuff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Like I said I'm a bit disappointed by the speed of these Distros, Windows 8 leaves them in the dust. Today I tried XBMCUbuntu on a HTPC booting from a USB, by the time it booted up, I could have booted into Windows 8 started XBMC and watched about 5 minutes of a movie.
    How is that a fair comparison. Comparing a slow USB 2 key against the start up time for a internal Hard Drive, was it a SSD?)

    I Compared them on a sort of level playing field using VirtualBox loading from a mechanical Hard Disk. I timed both Win 8 and Mint booting to the Desktop. Windows 8 started in 42 seconds and Mint 14 Started in 29
    I've booted them from a live CD, a USB, and internal drive on an old notebook, XP boots quicker than either. Besides the boot times, Windows 8 is quicker at almost any task, especially on the net.
    Like I said I've got nothing against Linux and will keep a couple of Distros on sticks to play around with and in case of emergencies, or if Microsoft brings back the Start Menu.

    And Ray, I'm not trying to prove anything, nothing could pry Windows 8 from my cold dead hands. All I'm saying is that the speed differences compared to years ago are nowhere near as great now.

    I really don't care if I'm the only one in the world who likes Windows 8, I buy what I want not what someone else likes. If people want to use Windows 7 or XP or Linux that's fine, I certainly have and will continue to use it from time to time.

    Typed on my iPad Mini, I decided its been sitting in my cold dark cupboard for too long and let it see the light of day.

    You'll be happy to know I nearly bought a Surface RT yesterday Ray. But I'm proud of myself I resisted, luckily it looks like we won't be getting the Pro for a few more months.
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