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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    BIOS updates can be fraught with all sorts of dangers; it can be very easy to brick your device if something goes wrong and so it should only be a last resort.
    I've done it numerous times and never had any problems, even when it stopped halfway through. I don't mean to trivialise it, but it's not that bad.
    The methods used presently on most boards differs from the old boot from 3 1/2" to flash and risk methods used years back. The WinFlash downloads also were a large improvement for seeing a more troublefree flash. And then you have the live bios update option where you connect to the support sites directly to see the updated version applied.

    With the old floppy method backing up the existing bius version in advance was always the smart move just in case of a bad flash. Or you could have sent the board to the manufacturer to see a newer bios version on a replacement eprom and let them guaranty results that way. Simply rushing to update the bios like you would for video drivers frequently isn't the best advice however. When some new version adds a new support for something or fixes a problem that is the best time to be considering an update.

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  2. #112


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    BIOS updates can be fraught with all sorts of dangers; it can be very easy to brick your device if something goes wrong and so it should only be a last resort.
    I've done it numerous times and never had any problems, even when it stopped halfway through. I don't mean to trivialise it, but it's not that bad.
    The methods used presently on most boards differs from the old boot from 3 1/2" to flash and risk methods used years back. The WinFlash downloads also were a large improvement for seeing a more troublefree flash. And then you have the live bios update option where you connect to the support sites directly to see the updated version applied.

    With the old floppy method backing up the existing bius version in advance was always the smart move just in case of a bad flash. Or you could have sent the board to the manufacturer to see a newer bios version on a replacement eprom and let them guaranty results that way. Simply rushing to update the bios like you would for video drivers frequently isn't the best advice however. When some new version adds a new support for something or fixes a problem that is the best time to be considering an update.
    I've used the old boot from floppy update, and some of them only half updated and still never bricked any PC. I repaired PCs for years and have never bricked a PC doing anything. Although a technician fused a motherboard of mine in front of me and claimed it wasn't his fault, and yet I told him not to do what he did. Took me ages to get a replacement motherboard from them.
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    I never ran into any bad flash myself while others have apparently when using the now outdated floppy method. I didn't find any need to constantly update bioses over the years anyways as a general rule of thought. The need for it on several builds simply wasn't there.

    Clearing the cmos or redoing everything as far as settings on the other hand has been more common with every other build where the battery on a year old board quits on you. Either you run into sudden system restarts right while in the middle of something or the system won't even see any led light up when you know a battery went belly up on you. Then it's time to go Radio Shack or some watch dept. in a retail store to get another. I generally prefer to keep a few Duracell two packs onhand however.
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  4. #114


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    BIOS updates can be fraught with all sorts of dangers; it can be very easy to brick your device if something goes wrong and so it should only be a last resort.
    But OEM's mostly recommend to install the latest BIOS before an windows 8 upgrade. That's what HP recommended for one of my 2010 laptops.
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  5. #115


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    BIOS updates can be fraught with all sorts of dangers; it can be very easy to brick your device if something goes wrong and so it should only be a last resort.
    But OEM's mostly recommend to install the latest BIOS before an windows 8 upgrade. That's what HP recommended for one of my 2010 laptops.
    I have gear where the OEM recommends not to upgrade the BIOS unless absolutely necessary. Different strokes.
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  6. #116


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    BIOS updates can be fraught with all sorts of dangers; it can be very easy to brick your device if something goes wrong and so it should only be a last resort.
    But OEM's mostly recommend to install the latest BIOS before an windows 8 upgrade. That's what HP recommended for one of my 2010 laptops.
    I have gear where the OEM recommends not to upgrade the BIOS unless absolutely necessary. Different strokes.
    Absolutely possible.
    To be honest, I don't recommend normal users (that don't know much about the BIOS) to try to update it either.
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    OEMs will usually only recommend a bios update when a new version is bringing some new hardware support in or the newer bios version itself contains either support for a new hardware/technology or has a fix for special circumstances where problems have been encountered. You wouldn't update the bios as you would with each newer version of video or sound drivers in that volume of frequency.

    As I was saying before the old methods could be risky at times where you could far more easily have a bad flash. Typically that would be from a manual boot from floppy flash gone wrong. The WinFlash and other newer options have otheriwse simplified the process with less risk overall but not advised unless there is a particular need.
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    A bit hilarious here:
    I got a HP laptop with Win8 pre-installed. The BIOS was something like version F.12. I checked.

    There was an update on the site a while back: F.13.
    Fixes:
    Ľ Version: F.13 (21 Sep 2012)
    Enhancements
    - Provides support for systems running Microsoft Windows 8.
    But I was already on Win8! That explains some weird issues people have. So I updated to make sure I get the extra 'support' mentioned.

    This is an example where they (and me too) recommend you upgrade. Another good example is for PC models that came pre-installed with Windows 7, to use latest BIOS if you intend you add a newer OS.
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    With 8 bringing in Hyper X the latest update may be needed to see something on the board enabled that isn't present already with the existing form of virtualization support. For older models the manufacturer would make that recommendation when the newer version brings in something new that lacks support in the original bios version.

    With 8 already preinstalled but still using the earlier bios version while the newer should have been put on... oops! HP goofed there! Then you call that a special circumstance even when they were at fault where there is again a need to update.

    For simply pulling the latest bios version out of your hat on the other hand the need isn't there to begin with unless it offers a fix or support for something new not simply because it has a newer number on it. Yet I hear it too often where someone immediately posts a reply to help and says "you should go for the latest!" when the problem is unrelated to any bios issue. A driver update or reinstall of same may be all that is needed to clear up a problem yet "go for the latest bios version!" is a common advice?

    The best actual advice anyone should be hearing is "be sure to make a backup of the present bios before..."! If something should go wrong with the update at least you can revert back to the present version with a restoration tool. That will save on sending the board into the manufacturer and paying for a new chip as well as shipping and down time from something that was unnecessary to begin with. So there are times for and then times when not to.
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  10. #120


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    I don't 'H8' Windows 8, in fact I quite like it (see my sig).

    I have bent it to my will, and now (apart from the eye-candy)
    it works exactly as I want it to.

    But I'm not at all impressed with the philosophy behind it
    OR the direction it's headed.

    Wenda.
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