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  1. #101


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    One other thing to look at when mentioning the 64bit kernel and ram usage is how the 64bit works compared to the 16bit, 24bit(Linux), 32bit as a rule. With the 64bit data is loaded into ram while the others see far more data swapping out to the drive. In Windows that would be the paging file while Linux may see a swap partition to supplement virtual memory.

    In years past the big mutter about Vista was ram usage while even XP ran far better when memory was upgraded on a 1gb pc upto 2gb or more! That 1gb leap was a big performance leap at the time. The 32bit 7 sitting idle sees about 700mb or so while the 64bit will see some 1.3gb while idle. The Linux 64bit will be a bit less since you are still working with the UNIX platform there without the volume of background services being as many as you would normally expect to see in Windows.

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  2. #102


    MD
    Posts : 865
    Windows 10 Pro x 64

    Peter's opinion


    Hello
    I have had the chances to bypass the startup screen and modify Win 8 just to see how it felt. I think Windows eight was maligned before it came out of the box like anything else that is different.
    I enjoy working with this OS and with the help of Shawn and other good guys I manage to get through some of the issues I would have had at my medium level anyway.
    If you have used Win 8 for a while I think you will agree you have increased your pc lore.
    It does what I want and rather quickly.
    I think XP and 7 were very good operating systems and this rates with them. I have the chance to go back to 7 but it would be a regression in many ways. This is a tutorial into what is yet to come - different.
    Peter
    Last edited by Peter2; 23 Feb 2013 at 14:47.
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  3. #103


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    I'm glad you like 8 the way things are. The press and hold instruction at either the Welcome or login screens will see the desktop load instead of the Start screen. The main problem and what most are complaining about when not liking 8 however is the MS move to toss the Tablet gui on the desktop platform simply to make Win 8 look just like Windows RT on their new Surface Tablets. It comes at a cost of stripping out the conventional wisdom, stripping out certain media features with one now a paid for option, and lacking the options for customizing the theme and general appearance according to personal preferences.

    I wouldn't quite put XP in the 7, 8 catagory however since XP was bug laden until SP3 was finally to bring about the long awaited 1,000+ fixes! XP was the Blue Screen Champion for the Windows OS! Vista was the one a bit more stable while having grown in size which still found a few SPs helped it become a good sturdy OS. 7 on the other hand won't be seeing any SP2 apparently! It hasn't been anywhere as buggy and worked right out of the box from beta on. Where did MS go from there?

    Well they certainly made a mess of the desktop while the real work seen with 8 is "under the hood" as far as security and some tweaking things for the faster boot and lightening the services down a bit along with the stipping away of things like dvd and video playback support. The Media Center which not many used anyways became a separate MS Apps store item to sell there.

    Now comes one other item that shows where the 8 licenses are actually being sold. Best Buy is cutting prices on the new 8 desktops and laptops that do not have touchscreen capability since the bulk of 8/RT sales is mostly seen with touchscreen laptops and devices. That was the latest in the ZDNet report. Best Buy to cut Windows 8 touchscreen PC prices by $100 | ZDNet
    Last edited by Night Hawk; 22 Feb 2013 at 20:47. Reason: Additional information
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  4. #104


    Posts : 18
    windows 8 Pro x64


    I thought windows 8 was going to be great however it is just a pile of mud. It almost turned 2 of our home pc into a pile of smoldering plastic and metal. There is a serious heat issue with it. Toshiba provided beta drivers and everything right off the bat was like a ride to hell. Each update reset the power settings and the windows update settings. So the next update would simply say screw you we are restarting. No more friendly postpone message. Not to mention on the Dv6-611 laptop constant crashing after/during updates. This is with a fresh install or windows 8 pro. The main issue was definitely heat. Running 3x hotter than it would with windows 7. External fans were constantly going on some of our laptops while others were fine. SO definitely far from a finished and refined product i expected. 2 of the laptops have gone back to win 7 and no more hot heat from it. feels like an air conditioner compared to before. Mind you the heat was constant with nothing running but anti virus and a simple desktop.
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  5. #105


    Posts : 6
    Windows 8 Pro


    I updated 3 older PC including my own asus 33jc ... all 3 PCs seem to run smoother, boot times are faster, and for some reason file transfers are bit faster too but I am not sure.

    I've been using it my personal machine since it came out.. I really enjoy it. The tablet "modern" mode can be very useful as well, despite the fact that I don't have e touch screen.

    Overall, there is no way I can go back to 7.
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  6. #106


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    When 8 first came people were begging to find a way back to 7! Those with laptops having 7 preinstalled were a little too ambitious jumping at 8 without any recovery media or option to restore the 7 preinstall once 8 was tossed on.

    It depends on what type of system you are running as far as a workstation or just another gaming rig where the gui doesn't make any difference to start with. For those working with desktop apps a majority of the time the whole RT on 8 concept is simply for the birds! Others are looking at Hyper X and went for 8 to run along side 7 for that support seen with 8.

    As for individual preferences besides simply running the newest out most will find themselves more or less involved more with one version over any other to begin with. A number of people who didn't like 7 went back to Vista or XP for that matter or were waiting for something newer then Vista and jumped on 7 right away.

    The version most will stay with however is the one they feel the best with where everything they want is running on it. That will be regardless of what is best for the next person however. And even what seems the best for one system(hardwares and software environments) won't meet the user needs too well.
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  7. #107


    MD
    Posts : 865
    Windows 10 Pro x 64


    Quote Originally Posted by sicex View Post
    I thought windows 8 was going to be great however it is just a pile of mud. It almost turned 2 of our home pc into a pile of smoldering plastic and metal. There is a serious heat issue with it. Toshiba provided beta drivers and everything right off the bat was like a ride to hell. Each update reset the power settings and the windows update settings. So the next update would simply say screw you we are restarting. No more friendly postpone message. Not to mention on the Dv6-611 laptop constant crashing after/during updates. This is with a fresh install or windows 8 pro. The main issue was definitely heat. Running 3x hotter than it would with windows 7. External fans were constantly going on some of our laptops while others were fine. SO definitely far from a finished and refined product i expected. 2 of the laptops have gone back to win 7 and no more hot heat from it. feels like an air conditioner compared to before. Mind you the heat was constant with nothing running but anti virus and a simple desktop.
    >>>I aim confused about something. My pcs came with Win 7 and handle Win 8 great. isn't it the pc itself, i.e., ram.
    size of hard drive, cooling ability etc. that determines the heat and other problems you are citing and not the OS?
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  8. #108


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by sicex View Post
    I thought windows 8 was going to be great however it is just a pile of mud. It almost turned 2 of our home pc into a pile of smoldering plastic and metal. There is a serious heat issue with it. Toshiba provided beta drivers and everything right off the bat was like a ride to hell. Each update reset the power settings and the windows update settings. So the next update would simply say screw you we are restarting. No more friendly postpone message. Not to mention on the Dv6-611 laptop constant crashing after/during updates. This is with a fresh install or windows 8 pro. The main issue was definitely heat. Running 3x hotter than it would with windows 7. External fans were constantly going on some of our laptops while others were fine. SO definitely far from a finished and refined product i expected. 2 of the laptops have gone back to win 7 and no more hot heat from it. feels like an air conditioner compared to before. Mind you the heat was constant with nothing running but anti virus and a simple desktop.
    Ever considered updating the BIOSes and cleaning up the dust from fans? BIOS updates are recommended if available, before you upgrade but even after.

    Make sure are needed drivers are available otherwise don't rust the upgrades.
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  9. #109


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    BIOS updates can be fraught with all sorts of dangers; it can be very easy to brick your device if something goes wrong and so it should only be a last resort.
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  10. #110


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    BIOS updates can be fraught with all sorts of dangers; it can be very easy to brick your device if something goes wrong and so it should only be a last resort.
    I've done it numerous times and never had any problems, even when it stopped halfway through. I don't mean to trivialise it, but it's not that bad.
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