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  1. #91


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by echrada View Post
    Windows 8 isn't the problem, users are!
    This quote should be carved in stone and presented to Microsoft.

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  2. #92


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Also, this notion that Windows 8 is on everything is bad doesn't make sense. Windows 7 on a netbook didn't make a lot of sense, as the screen sizes were small and cramped with not high enough resolutions to get any real productivity out of it.
    And on the flip side, we have desktops with 27" monitors with the new UI apps which are the way of the future and they have to run full screen. Talk about a lack of productivity and a waste of screen space.
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  3. #93


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Also, this notion that Windows 8 is on everything is bad doesn't make sense. Windows 7 on a netbook didn't make a lot of sense, as the screen sizes were small and cramped with not high enough resolutions to get any real productivity out of it.
    And on the flip side, we have desktops with 27" monitors with the new UI apps which are the way of the future and they have to run full screen. Talk about a lack of productivity and a waste of screen space.
    The apps at this point in time aren't used heavily for productivity as they're aren't many to begin with, only web based content is in app form so far in Windows 8. Some apps are productivity apps, but need work obviously as some are genuine screen wasters. A calculator shouldn't run full screen on a 27 inch screen.... On a 10 inch tablet though, maybe, yeah. Even still, there is a thing called app snap....

    And that leads to the future. Hate to break it to you, but things will still be changing in the future. Probably later this year with the Blue wave, different apps will have to be submitted as different things are going to be changed with the apps. What that will be is still speculation, but it's most likely for something windowed but more likely something tiled.
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  4. #94


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post

    Depends on your definition of, "... worse in every aspect, ...".

    Linux:
    • Uses less RAM (~400MB vs ~1.2GB)
    • Uses less HDD/SSD space (~6GB vs ~20GB)
    • Is immune to most Viruses and Worms that are prowling the Internet
    • Runs VMs in VMware run faster and smoother.
    • Costs $0




    Linux Mint 14 ran my Radeon HD6450 and my onboard sound card out of the box, Windows couldn't (W8CP & W8RP couldn't run my onboard sound even after I installed the driver).

    Windows main advantages are:
    • Games
    • Business software
    • Ease of software installation


    People use Windows at work, so why would they bother to learn how to use a different OS on their home PCs?

    BTW, I use Windows for >95% of my personal computing.
    It's funny about the reluctance. When mentioning I was trying out various distros some years back even a friend who used Linux while in the armed forces came out and said: "I used Linux for 7yrs. Stay with Windows!". Just had Linux Mint Debian on the second drive and now have to find the time for the 90day Win 8 Enterprise install to see how that goes.

    In contrast between Linux and Windows one thing most may not even be aware of is being able to get in there and at times fix Windows bugs, recover files, and even fix the boot sector while booted live from a Linux distro like ubuntu, Knoppix(live only), Linux Mint(ubuntu or Debian based release), Puppy Linux, and a few others. You can see an iso written to a flash drive made bootable if not burned to disk to see what is on a drive when the OS on it doesn't load.

    For general everyday use without the need of learning Bash commands and at times needing to open a console far more typically seen in years past however your Windows machine is going to be right there when called to task! Now as far as hardware requirements the biggest leap in demand wasn't seen now with 8 or 7 but saw the leap in minimum requirements with Vista while the latest Mandriva or other Red Hat server orientated distro being larger in size might require a wee bit more then a good sized one like Knoppix or Linux Mint Debian(prewrapped with 200 apps).

    Now the contrast between open source and Windows is different when the 6-8month newer release is due to Linux being "open source" where when anyone submits something "new and blue" a new release including it will be seen. On the other hand MS works up something of their own "new and blue" for each newer version based on a set of standards(fluxuating that is) working with software as well as hardware manufacturers.

    With 8 however they broke the mold and took a gambit slapping their new tablet OS's gui on all platforms to have a new brochure to pass out and say: "see we have it all covered!" as they leap at the other market a bit more. "Get familiar with your Surface Tablet while at your Win 8 desktop!" could be one way to look at things. Most however take one look and say "Hey this thing doesn't belong on a desktop!" And the end result is many simply do not look past the MS goober to see any of the actual updated desktop elements due to being drowned out by some MS manager's brain dead idea of how to make things look alike.
    This is why Linux is only really used by IT people....

    Also, this notion that Windows 8 is on everything is bad doesn't make sense. Windows 7 on a netbook didn't make a lot of sense, as the screen sizes were small and cramped with not high enough resolutions to get any real productivity out of it. Windows 7 on a tablet was iffy at best as the UI targets weren't either large enough or fuzzy enough to tap them right. Windows 7 was on the laptop and Windows 7 was on the desktop, yet no one was saying that was a bad thing.....
    No one ever said Windows CE 6 was any good! That was the Compact Edition of 7 where "everything" is limited! You can't even log onto a secure site due to how little support is seen in the stripped down form of IE in it! A netbook however at least offered the opportunity to choose which OS would go on while an embedded OS without any option to boot from the single usb port is a total waste of time.

    The Sylvania Smart book was just that a total waste! Speaking of Linux someone found a way to add a boot loader onto the tiny SSD and run a distro from a good size memory card you add on. That would at least allow FireFox to get onto some place. But you are not looking for anything fancy there either like running any full screen pc game or media.

    For server application Linux distros do make a lot more sense there to keep data bases more secure from hackers as well as viruses. That is still based primarily on the UNIX OS platform there. Most zero day and other bugs are aimed at MS OSs and softwares which are far more commonly used.

    As far as 8 if you can set it up and run it better then you are happy. But for those not wanting to tweak the OS out or pay for things that were included in Windows they won't be looking so much at the other behind the scenes and under the hood type improvements like a new look for the task manager, new Lock screen pulling up like a window(s) shade, etc.
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  5. #95


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    There is a little hidden thing - almost no one fkn care about linux, cause it is worse than windows in every aspect, ...
    Depends on your definition of, "... worse in every aspect, ...".

    Linux:
    • Uses less RAM (~400MB vs ~1.2GB)
    • Uses less HDD/SSD space (~6GB vs ~20GB)
    • Is immune to most Viruses and Worms that are prowling the Internet
    • Runs VMs in VMware run faster and smoother.
    • Costs $0


    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    ... and it has very few drivers from hardware vendors, most of "drivers" are just mini software that has no control that windows drivers has, and things like Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia must say something.
    Linux Mint 14 ran my Radeon HD6450 and my onboard sound card out of the box, Windows couldn't (W8CP & W8RP couldn't run my onboard sound even after I installed the driver).

    Windows main advantages are:
    • Games
    • Business software
    • Ease of software installation


    People use Windows at work, so why would they bother to learn how to use a different OS on their home PCs?

    BTW, I use Windows for >95% of my personal computing.
    Well, what to begin with ? Ok,
    Linux :
    • Uses less RAM, because linux is so useless, because there is so little thing, that can run on linux and use RAM, btw, Windows ram usage is not 1,2gb, i checked, and it's less than 1gb, and that not a problem at all, this is what ram is made for and its so cheap, 8gb ram price is like candy's
    • Again, same reason for hdd, windows is much more complex system and has so much more in it by default - pagefile, hibernate file - btw, these 2 files are about half size of the os, directx, all the other stuff, that is done automatically....... and it's not a problem, its just a few gigabytes, even phones nowadays has more space ....
    • linux immune to viruses - wrong statement, linux is very unpopular, that even viruses developers dont care about it, windows rulez the world
    • vms runs faster ? not so much, linux is slower by all means, plus installing software like vmware in linux can cause linux death, cause software like that can veary easy fk up your linux kernel
    • money ? what price would be good for that peace of ** ??? 50 cents ? linux began its history as students homework, and it still is in that level.
    • linux has almost only basic drivers for hardware just to work, no options, no configuration, nothing, cause no one is writing drivers for that os, except nvidia, ati and maybe one more company


    Windows main advantages are:
    • Everything - from ease of use to performance and functionality, amount of software, games and other stuff it's number one in the world, not even mac can compete with it


    "BTW, I use Windows for >95% of my personal computing" - see ? even you dont use linux I'm not saying, that i'm linux hater or i'm big windows fan, i would like to use linux myself too, but linux is not yet in good shape for daily usage, and from my personal experience, windows is best for everything. Open source, free and other things like that wont do any good for linux - power and money rules this world, like microsoft's windows and apple's mindwashing patents, like "other phones cant have 4 squares and os".

    Going to on-topic, i think microsoft had to use apple's computers-phones strategy - one kernel, two oss. That way windows 8 would be much more successful.
    Last edited by startas; 15 Feb 2013 at 05:53.
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  6. #96


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    You really have no idea.

    I should have been more specific about RAM usage though.
    Windows 7 = ~1.2GB
    Windows 8 = ~0.8GB
    Windows XP = ~0.4GB
    Ubuntu 10 = ~ 0.4GB

    In fact, since I've added more RAM, Windows 7 idles at ~1.6GB.
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  7. #97


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    Windows 7 Pro and Windows 8.1 Pro 32 bit and 64 bit


    The speed differential and RAM usage is the selling point of Windows 8 in my book. I have a 1024 X 600 resolution netbook that won't run the live apps anyway so I just deleted all of them and replaced them with shortcuts. Also I installed the Ex7forWin8 to get back the start button and windows 7 style menu. I have the speed and efficiency of Windows 8 combined with a traditional desktop so I never even see the standard UI if I don't want it.

    Microsoft will eventually cave in to people that don't like the "metro" interface and correct the start button fiasco. It might take a year but it will happen. In the mean time I have it working the way I want it and the $15 upgrade was money well spent.
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  8. #98


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post

    • vms runs faster ? not so much, linux is slower by all means, plus installing software like vmware in linux can cause linux death, cause software like that can veary easy fk up your linux kernel
    This is a small point we don't have much to discuss about.
    And you've already given many reasons why Windows is better.

    But about VM's on Linux:
    You either have seen it in action or not.

    VMWare did made fully x64 binaries and services on Linux (no other choice I guess) in comparison with Windows.
    As long as syswow64 handles everything we will continue to have 32bit applications the coming 50 years (why not).

    This is not a big deal because the performance on Windows is basically the same becasue the VMX is 64bit.
    Only the UI is slower but still, they say it's pointless to make a 64bit UI...

    Something else:
    - the kernel thing is annoying indeed
    - and some start menu applets that exist are sometimes really slow from what I've seen in action.

    I do use Windows as the main daily OS everywhere and the Linux is a study/test field because there are things that are interesting about it, so yeah, I spin a Linux in a VM from time to time (to see what's new) on Windows host.
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  9. #99


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    You really have no idea.

    I should have been more specific about RAM usage though.
    Windows 7 = ~1.2GB
    Windows 8 = ~0.8GB
    Windows XP = ~0.4GB
    Ubuntu 10 = ~ 0.4GB

    In fact, since I've added more RAM, Windows 7 idles at ~1.6GB.
    Nice to see...

    Here it's like this:
    -Windows 7 x64 = ~1 GB
    -Windows 8 x64 = ~1.2 GB
    -Lubuntu/LXDE distro x64 = ~0.2 GB
    -XP = ~0.15 GB

    XP is without .NET for example so your value there is more realistic.
    LXDE (lightweight desktop environment) is still heavily developed and some major glitches with some apps still exist.
    That's one of the reasons more people use Mate or Gnome based distro's.

    In the end, Win7 and 8 handle the most load and demand, so the (higher) RAM usage here is worth it, in my opinion.

    Depends on what you're running maybe considering some slightly different user tweaks / installs or even hardware from one user to another.
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  10. #100


    Well, yeah, "big" ram usage not a problem whatsoever, it's only a good thing, because it speeds up everything - thats what ram is made for, plus ram usage on windows depends on amount of ram you have, and plus i said before, ram is very cheap, you can buy at least 8 gigs like a candy
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