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Windows 8 is the new XP

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    I have to point out that recession, compared to this last one, that was almost a hiccup. Then again, markets ALWAYS recede naturally, nothing no one can do.

    Leaving that aside, yeah 7 will be the modern day XP and will become a nuissance for Microsoft when they have other plans. I don't even see a mass upheavel to Windows 8 at all. This is simply due to Windows 7's deployment, planned deployment, and recently completed deployments. As someone said earlier, it takes a LONG time for such a thing to happen.

    But factor in that about 33 precent of polled enterprise plan to go to 8, and most will skip; Windows 7 and 8 will be in an enterprise in conjunction. Windows 8 will be on any new PCs bought, namely tablet PCs, along with the current fleet of Windows 7 machines.

    But this doesn't go to say Windows 8 doesn't have a place in the enterprise, that's not true. An enterprise considering ipads would probably go to tablet PCs for the sake of capability and costs. Smaller businesses might take up Windows 8 on their machines as they see the UI isn't too difficult to learn and the features and performance isn't something to set aside.



    It ultimately comes down to each individual business. A large one won't take up 8 most likely, smaller ones might. Some will have both 7 and 8.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    And you do hear the same things at every release.
    No, you don't. Find me the criticism of 8 you heard for 7. Find it for XP. Look at the stories Bott links. There's a pattern but he doesn't explain it. This is from CNN in 2001 about why businesses weren't upgrading to XP:

    A Computerworld survey of 200 IT managers and decision-makers shows that more than half (52.5 percent) don't intend to migrate to the new operating system.


    Another 25 percent say they're undecided.


    The chief reason? They're in the process of migrating to Windows 2000. The number two and number three reasons cited by 155 IT managers who either don't plan to migrate or don't know if they will move to Windows XP were "no need for new features" and "cost," respectively.
    Also - when was XP released? In late 2001 at the start of a big recession. Gee, that's exactly when I want to spend money. I mean, c'mon. This is Bott story is embarrassingly bad.

    It's misleading to suggest the reviews of XP were like 8. Here's a bunch of them, which Bott ignores:

    CNN was raving about it when the beta came out in March - "promises to be the best preinstalled version of Windows yet."

    CNET - 4 out of 5

    FiringSquad
    - 85/100

    PC mag - 5 out of 5

    Mike's Hardware - phenomenal

    New York Times - state of the art


    If 8 could stand on its own and be awesome, you wouldn't be seeing stuff like this Bott story.
    Pretty much what you said points to a strong parallel to XP and 8. Not many people need the new features of 8, and not many businesses have budgets allocated for that.

    And also, XP had some good and bad about it. I remember a lot of "oh wells" with the Luna interface of XP, and how it was so kept secret that a false UI was put into the beta to thwart off apple or Linux developers. It actually looked like 8 and looked WAY better than that plasticky looking thing. There was the good with stable code and security from Windows 2000 and building off of NT 5 kernel. Which kind of sounds like vista and 7. Yet, not many mitigated to it till later when vista wasn't a choice to take.

    Now, you point out to a lot of good about XP, but don't believe 8 is any good to stand on its own. I find fault with that as there IS a good amount of good about Windows 8 that seems to be voluntarily ignored or what.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Pretty much what you said points to a strong parallel to XP and 8. Not many people need the new features of 8, and not many businesses have budgets allocated for that.
    Nah, look - the question isn't: "Do I need new features?" I guess there are some people who don't care about new features but they're in the extreme minority. Who wants to be driving a Model T right now unless you're in a Model T club? The question is: "Why did they make the new features this way?" I want new features in an OS. I want them in just about everything I buy. I'm about to dump my old smartphone for a new smartphone with a ton of new features. Can't wait. I've said this over and over (not that anyone cares) but it matters what the changes are. Brink could require everyone on this site communicate in Latin. That's change. Change is always good, right? No. It matters what the change is. Change acceptance can be subjective, yes. We all know a lot of people love 8. But there's a poll on this very site that indicates the lovers of 8 here can't even crack the 50% mark. That's not an outlier, either. Can someone find me a significant poll that says more than half of the respondents love and/or will upgrade to 8? I'm sure there's one out there but I've never seen it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Now, you point out to a lot of good about XP, but don't believe 8 is any good to stand on its own. I find fault with that as there IS a good amount of good about Windows 8 that seems to be voluntarily ignored or what.
    Sorry, let be more clear about what I meant. 8 can stand on its own to a lot of people, yes. But if it could match the enthusiasm of 7, you would not be reading stuff like Bott just posted. It would be self-evident and Bott would have been posting stuff like - 8 is matching or exceeding even 7's reception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I have to point out that recession, compared to this last one, that was almost a hiccup.

    Doesn't matter. XP was released in 4Q 2001. That's when corporate profits - which were already in decline from the stock market bubble explosion the year before - took a severe hit....
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    ...which also meant businesses didn't invest in new stuff:
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    This is significant, which Bott just blows off.
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Pretty much what you said points to a strong parallel to XP and 8. Not many people need the new features of 8, and not many businesses have budgets allocated for that.
    Nah, look - the question isn't: "Do I need new features?" I guess there are some people who don't care about new features but they're in the extreme minority. Who wants to be driving a Model T right now unless you're in a Model T club? The question is: "Why did they make the new features this way?" I want new features in an OS. I want them in just about everything I buy. I'm about to dump my old smartphone for a new smartphone with a ton of new features. Can't wait. I've said this over and over (not that anyone cares) but it matters what the changes are. Brink could require everyone on this site communicate in Latin. That's change. Change is always good, right? No. It matters what the change is. Change acceptance can be subjective, yes. We all know a lot of people love 8. But there's a poll on this very site that indicates the lovers of 8 here can't even crack the 50% mark. That's not an outlier, either. Can someone find me a significant poll that says more than half of the respondents love and/or will upgrade to 8? I'm sure there's one out there but I've never seen it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Now, you point out to a lot of good about XP, but don't believe 8 is any good to stand on its own. I find fault with that as there IS a good amount of good about Windows 8 that seems to be voluntarily ignored or what.
    Sorry, let be more clear about what I meant. 8 can stand on its own to a lot of people, yes. But if it could match the enthusiasm of 7, you would not be reading stuff like Bott just posted. It would be self-evident and Bott would have been posting stuff like - 8 is matching or exceeding even 7's reception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I have to point out that recession, compared to this last one, that was almost a hiccup.

    Doesn't matter. XP was released in 4Q 2001. That's when corporate profits - which were already in decline from the stock market bubble explosion the year before - took a severe hit....
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    ...which also meant businesses didn't invest in new stuff:
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    This is significant, which Bott just blows off.
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    As for features goes, what you say, if applied to every new release, can be blown over for something else later on. If going from 2000 to xp, there wasn't a huge feature set to upgrade to and could be waited out for the next version, vista. vista offered little to the tablet feature wise other than a glassy UI and crappy performance, and that was definitely skipped out on. Going from vista to 7, there literally are about three features off the top of my head that would warrant an upgrade. Going from xp to 7 however, yeah, that upgrade could definitely be worth it feature wise. If going from 7 to 8, I think of about eight possible reasons/features to upgrade to. Sure, you could change for the sake of change if you want. No one is saying that you have to change for the sake of change.

    And sure, Bott kind of did blow off economic conditions. Although, I wonder if there are any charts to show trends about Windows 7. That has been received with open arms in the enterprise it seems, and seems to have been deployed and in current deployment for a few years now, when economic conditions seem questionable.
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    Coke - what I asked for was specific: find me a significant poll that says more than half of the respondents love and/or will upgrade to 8? The first poll you mentioned - I already mentioned it and pointed out that it can't even crack 50% at this place. In fact, that's the reason I asked the question. The second poll you linked is not 100% irrelevant but it's close since it's geared to people already using 8.

    Agree with your last paragraph. In fact, you might be able to say the very same thing about 7 and a recession as you did with XP and a recession, but we're just not gonna know for at least a couple years.
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  6. #16


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    I've heard criticisms of every new OS, including Windows 7, there were/are many people that complained and didn't like it.
    Many spent endless hours trying to make Windows 7 look like XP, most of them failed, completely corrupting it in the process and then complained that it didn't work and was slow. They went back to XP, where they wanted to be anyway.
    No problem, if you like an OS use it, if not then don't.
    It's not an issue for me, everyone has my permission to use the OS they want
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    It's not an issue for me, everyone has my permission to use the OS they want

    Thanks for that, Dave. I feel better now!
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    It's not an issue for me, everyone has my permission to use the OS they want
    Thanks for your permission, Sir. I may start using Windows 9 soon
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  9. #19


    Tough choice: Ubuntu or Linux Mint?
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  10. #20


    I would say Linux Mint, as I cannot stand the Unity interface that Ubuntu has moved to.
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