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5 big reasons businesses should consider Windows 8

  1. #21


    You know your stuff, that's for sure! Very good observation, well thought out, and well put.

    I was just thinking the other day what happens when one is forced to change? What then? Sooner or later we know there will be a 9 and it will be an extension of 8. Just as all other OSs extended the last.

    No more Start Orb or Start Menu. Now a touch UI and a new way of navigation. What will we say if when we boot 9 and there's no more desktop. Please don't think or say it's not possible. All software just may be written in the Modern App interface. This, bottom line, seems to be the trend.

    Just a reminder.....You'll be addressing someone who as a very young child saw horse-drawn wagons in the city of Chicago in the early 50's. I've seen a lot of big changes in my day. Changes that get exponentially more radical as time goes on.

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
    OK, here's what I see. Members who say 8 will never work as designed as it doesn't facilitate the way they use a PC. They almost seem offended that MS put it out there and ruined their chance to have a new OS to use that improved on 7, but without the changes that they don't like.

    Then there are members who, even if not thrilled by the GUI, have embraced the improvements in 8. They have either found satisfactory ways to use the OS as is, or have used workarounds and 3rd party programs to make it more to their liking.

    If everyone was forced to change to 8, then I can see where the 1st group would have reason to be pissed off. But since they are not forced to change, and have a current OS that they all like, then they are just (often vehemently) voicing their disappointment. They believe they shouldn't have to use workarounds to make 8 work, and that some things cannot be corrected that way. But again, no one is forcing them to use it. I just believe they were looking forward to 8, and are disappointed.

    Those who have embraced 8, and have found new methods to do old things, are enjoying the improvements. As long as they are not (also vehemently) proposing that 8 is in fact, a complete improvement, and that the 1st group are just not getting it, then the 2nd group is ultimately who Eight Forums will be for...8 users.

    I would suspect that those who fall in between, who have been testing 8, but perhaps will not use it when it expires, will also be using Eight Forums, and helping others. I believe Seven Forums users who want to help, will also help here if they can. As that is something we all have in common. We like to help people fix their problems. Even if we don't like their choice of program (OS) that is at the root of said problem.

    Imagine what it will be like on Nine Forums if/when it becomes apparent that 9 will not be Seven + that many desire, but rather takes us further form 7 towards the things that are not liked about 8...

    But then, what do I know?

    A Guy
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    Nice review Righteous Dude. Business reasons ... From just glancing at the other forum (7), it seems obvious that 7 has had many major issues continuously since its release in 2009 and continue today. Stating that 8 is a complete improvement would be inaccurate. It is a different OS model that has offended many. There is an economic reality that many reject. Embracing the change is one concept, adapting to circumstances is another. Like when a mechanic has to work on this new car that the shop considers a problem, they choose to service the monster or reject it. But since they are a dealer, they cannot reject it. It is forced unto them. They must service it. So they must adapt without embracing. It is a job. The next model will be better. Like the other one said, will we be going back to the future or back from the future?
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  4. #24


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    Well put A Guy.

    They may have the next version with the new UI with completely adjustable window sizes, or split into versions that have the option to choose between the two, though I don't think that's likely.
    No one is being forced to like it, most don't have to use it.
    It will give us something to discuss on Nine Forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Of course businesses or anyone else for that matter wouldn't had adopted it as it was a crap OS.
    As usual you completely missed the point.
    MS was forced to change because it couldn't sell it's product.

    You say Vista was a crap OS (there are several members here who disagree with your assessment of Vista).
    I hardly used Vista (~100hrs) and I didn't like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by A Guy View Post
    But since they are not forced to change, and have a current OS that they all like, then they are just (often vehemently) voicing their disappointment. They believe they shouldn't have to use workarounds to make 8 work, and that some things cannot be corrected that way. But again, no one is forcing them to use it.
    That's fair enough for someone's private PC.

    What about when businesses all rush out and buy a million copies each (as Coke Robot believes)?
    Then they will be forced to use it, whether they want to or not (just like the Ribbon).
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    Appears the author has no clue what it's like running a business. I've been involved in turning an idea into a major operation, and I assure you none of us was worried about printer drivers.

    The only thing businesses care about is the bottom line. If 8 hinders productivity in any way, it will be skipped.
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    Windows 8 is the new XP | ZDNet

    This article really should be read. For the lazy among us, it basically claims Windows 8 is the new XP. Remember when XP came out? People didn't really like the new UI, and actually said it was like a Fischer-Price looking thing, which is WAY more true than Windows 8. Businesses kept onto elder Windows versions for a long time and didn't hugely adopt Windows XP till well after its initial release. It was a version to skip. Many didn't like the new UI or start menu and reverted it back to Classic mode.

    I remember the dissent with vista's new start menu and how people were upset at the consolidation of it and how it was too cramped and too small. It sums up saying, people from consumers to enterprise will get used to the new changes. Difference here is that Windows 8 doesn't go back to a Windows 7 style, so getting used to the new UI is more direct and overall quicker.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Windows 8 is the new XP | ZDNet

    This article really should be read. For the lazy among us, it basically claims Windows 8 is the new XP. Remember when XP came out? People didn't really like the new UI, and actually said it was like a Fischer-Price looking thing, which is WAY more true than Windows 8.
    And you could get rid of the Fisher Price theme by simply changing the wallpaper in Windows XP. It was only the default background that was the issue. But unlike Windows XP, the things in Windows 8 that people HATE cannot just simply be bypassed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    . Businesses kept onto elder Windows versions for a long time and didn't hugely adopt Windows XP till well after its initial release. It was a version to skip. Many didn't like the new UI or start menu and reverted it back to Classic mode.
    Businesses didn't really avoid XP. The business that I worked at went to XP pretty darn fast. And you are correct, many did stick with the "classic" start, and have continued to use it to this very day. The fact that's it only available via a third party tool is truly a disappointment for many.

    XP held on in the marketplace for 2 primary reasons
    #1). Vista was pretty bad when it was released. It wasn't really until SP1 that it became ok, but by then, most of the damage was done and people had nothing good to say about it
    #2). XP didn't require activation for those who got a volume license key. So, they effectively were able to easily pirate the crap out of this version of Windows. 1 copy could be endlessly installed on however many computer they wanted to use.
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    Don't forget that XP was (too) easy to use.

    It also had features that have been removed in following OS releases.
    It even had a built-in context menu editor.

    Also, by the time Vista finally appeared, many people had 6 years worth of experience using XP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Remember when XP came out? People didn't really like the new UI, and actually said it was like a Fischer-Price looking thing, which is WAY more true than Windows 8.

    Really? I don't remember this criticism of XP at all. Maybe some people thought that, but it did not come close to the mixed reviews of 8. I remember I couldn't wait to dump ME for XP. My wife's company, which is huge, adopted XP not long after it came out. They are now in the middle of upgrading from XP to 7. Earlier this year, when I showed her 8 I asked - you think you guys will be getting this? She said no way.
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