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5 big reasons businesses should consider Windows 8

  1. #11


    I've seen a massive increase in boot speeds on my workstation at work. I have Windows 8 installed on a 2nd hard drive in that machine, it's a core i7-3770, Asus P8Z77-V mobo (UEFI) with 16GB of RAM and a 7,200RPM WD caviar blue and it takes about 10 seconds to post, and about 3 seconds to boot to the Windows logon screen. But aside from that, don't really anything that makes me saw "Wow, this is really fast". I just don't reboot much, that machine runs 24x7....so the super fast boot speed isn't the most incredible thing ever for me.

    I also just got done setting up some new Dell XPS machines at work with SSD's. With the Intel Rapid Start setup going, that thing comes out of power off sleep in about 5 seconds. It's very impressive. And that's with Windows 7.

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  2. #12


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    A learning curve is ALWAYS something to expect with any enterprise's mitigation. To say that there isn't one from xp to 7 is posh. You think people know how to pin things to the Taskbar? Or know what a jumplist is? Would you think trying to figure out where things are in the Control Panel would be easy? Would using Explorer be right off the bat to use, or will there be issues with that?

    That's just Windows 7, let alone Windows 8. If you give an xp user 7, they wouldn't know what to do exactly to fully appreciate the UI changes and navigation improvements. Show them how to do things, a shocking phenomenon occurs that even the world's most renowned scientists have yet to understand, people LEARN how to use it effectively. And then, they remember that.

    This all makes me think of Windows 3.1 to 95, even back then, there were some vocal people trying to get back Program Manager instead of using the new Start menu. Some probably thought it was change for the sake of change, in retrospect, it wasn't; just as Windows 8 isn't change for the sake of change. Windows 95 brought things Windows 3 wouldn't had ever brought up, Windows 8 will bring things up we wouldn't had thought of if the traditional UI was still used.


    But then again, this is just me. I'm not really an IT manager or anything that would love to keep things the same to reduce downtime as much as possible even if that means undercutting everyone in the future; who focuses more on improved feature sets versus any changes that conflicts with that desire...
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But then again, this is just me. I'm not really an IT manager or anything that would love to keep things the same to reduce downtime as much as possible even if that means undercutting everyone in the future; who focuses more on improved feature sets versus any changes that conflicts with that desire...
    Undercutting everyone in the future? Seriously dude, wake up....this isn't a good Windows release for business use. No IT manager is doing a disservice by not rolling Windows 8 out to business users. I fail to see any value in the app tiles in a business scenario...if nothing else it's just a distraction to employees who link in their facebook, twitter, gmail, instant messengers,etc rather than actually doing their job. IT departments are not in place to ensure that employees are running the latest, greatest and newest of technology. The goal of IT is to ensure the infrastructure is in the best position possible to meet the business needs, with the lowest cost, least amount of downtime, and least amount of user training and help desk tickets.
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  4. #14


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I'd be concerned later in the future, Windows 8 is skipped by an enterprise for whatever reason, but that doesn't go to say some how magically, Windows 9 is just going to be a better Windows 7. That's too big of an assumption to take. EVENTUALLY, the new UI will have to be rolled out. Yes, changes are steep than what would had been, but it becomes more how does one mitigate down time due to the learning curve? I wouldn't imagine it would be users confronted with their machines with 8 installed and expected to go at it. The user base needs training on how to learn it, mainly some few major things, just as what eventually had to happen with Office 2007.

    Shoot, there's even an app that makes a tile on your Start Screen on how to learn Windows 8, called Learn Windows 8. I'm looking at it and it does show you real well how to do things. Will there be downtime? Of course. Will there be downtime a month later, most likely not. Will there be downtime two years from installing Windows 8? Nope. If for some reason Windows 9 is later installed or Windows 10, and will still have the metro UI, there won't be too steep of a learning curve, as Windows 8 already got over that.


    I see value in having tiles. My personal experience seeing some introduction of Windows 8's Start Screen and tiles for some people is better than Desktop icons. Things are faster to get to. If a business has an in-house app, that app might show new updates, like client orders or such.

    By the way, if you look into Group Policy settings of Windows 8 there is a convenient switch to disable the Windows Store and app updates to prevent the so called Facebook troll from wasting time. You also can uninstall said apps.
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I'd be concerned later in the future, Windows 8 is skipped by an enterprise for whatever reason, but that doesn't go to say some how magically, Windows 9 is just going to be a better Windows 7. That's too big of an assumption to take.
    Well, some business stayed on XP, and some went to Vista others went to 7. I don't honestly think that skipping Vista put them at any great disadvantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I see value in having tiles. My personal experience seeing some introduction of Windows 8's Start Screen and tiles for some people is better than Desktop icons. Things are faster to get to.
    I don't see how clicking on a tile is faster than clicking an icon on a desktop. And icons can be much smaller than tiles, meaning you don't have to scroll to get to them. Not to mention, as nearly 100% of business apps are going to be classic desktop apps, having to click on Start, switching to the Start screen and then clicking the tile is going to be slower than clicking a pinned icon on the taskbar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    If a business has an in-house app, that app might show new updates, like client orders or such.
    Yeah, if the business is going to sit down and spend the cycle time to create a metro app. And even if they do, now you are going to have to flip back and forth between the classic desktop apps that will be prevalent to the one new app. Forget about it man. Whenever I am using a Metro app in Windows 8, on my single monitor machine, I'm MISSING emails that come in via Outlook, I'm missing messages that come in via Microsoft Lync, and I'm missing everything else that IS HAPPENING on the desktop while I spent time in some horseshit metro app taking my whole screen, 320px of my screen, or whatever is left of my screen minus 320px. Metro apps are suitable for things like drive-thru attendents...who do 1 thing and 1 thing only all day long and thus don't need anything else on their computer. Anybody running more than 1 app for any amount of time, is not going to cope well with Metro apps.
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  6. #16


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    If businesses refuse to buy W8 ...


    What was Vista's peak market share, ~20%?

    Businesses refused to buy Vista, so MS was forced to make changes.

    If businesses refuse to buy W8, MS will be forced to make changes (at least to the Enterprise version).
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  7. #17


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    I don't know if this hasn't been rehashed, but vista and 8 AREN'T EVEN CLOSE. vista was a complete coding mess that didn't work on existing machines and with difficulty with existing devices. Seriously right now, when vista came out, people pouted over the fact that to run Aero, you'd have to get a new graphics card to support the new UI design. Of course businesses or anyone else for that matter wouldn't had adopted it as it was a crap OS.

    The comparison of vista and 8 has LONG been ran over and is only a bare thread to go on.
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  8. #18


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Windows Server 2012 uses WinRT and the metro start screen so ... Why would the enterprise version be different? Businesses will be using 8. Google or Bing Windows 8 for Business. Opinions vary.

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  9. #19


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    It seems curious that some folks have lots of time to post on various forums and yet seem to have a need to stay zoomed into their messaging services. Some folks appear to not understand how to make 8 multi task efficiently and blame it on the user interface. Distractions are a personal problem and not a design issue of the OS. If one visits the other forum, 7 users have tons of endless problems. 7 is no panacea. Skipping a version is a fine idea, but that does not invalidate the current release. There also seems to be a trend to compare users that have unusual needs that are not typical with folks that use a computer for multimedia entertainment, communications and school work...and compare and contrast their needs and how they use a pc to be superior to the other. If one is a skilled user, resolving issues should be par for the course. Otherwise, one may need a tutorial. If a tutorial is too expensive, then, wow, a tutorial is too expensive? Windows 8 has not been in play long enough as a final public release to be qualified as a non starter for business. 8 is certainly not less than 7.
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  10. #20


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    OK, here's what I see. Members who say 8 will never work as designed as it doesn't facilitate the way they use a PC. They almost seem offended that MS put it out there and ruined their chance to have a new OS to use that improved on 7, but without the changes that they don't like.

    Then there are members who, even if not thrilled by the GUI, have embraced the improvements in 8. They have either found satisfactory ways to use the OS as is, or have used workarounds and 3rd party programs to make it more to their liking.

    If everyone was forced to change to 8, then I can see where the 1st group would have reason to be pissed off. But since they are not forced to change, and have a current OS that they all like, then they are just (often vehemently) voicing their disappointment. They believe they shouldn't have to use workarounds to make 8 work, and that some things cannot be corrected that way. But again, no one is forcing them to use it. I just believe they were looking forward to 8, and are disappointed.

    Those who have embraced 8, and have found new methods to do old things, are enjoying the improvements. As long as they are not (also vehemently) proposing that 8 is in fact, a complete improvement, and that the 1st group are just not getting it, then the 2nd group is ultimately who Eight Forums will be for...8 users.

    I would suspect that those who fall in between, who have been testing 8, but perhaps will not use it when it expires, will also be using Eight Forums, and helping others. I believe Seven Forums users who want to help, will also help here if they can. As that is something we all have in common. We like to help people fix their problems. Even if we don't like their choice of program (OS) that is at the root of said problem.

    Imagine what it will be like on Nine Forums if/when it becomes apparent that 9 will not be Seven + that many desire, but rather takes us further from 7 towards the things that are not liked about 8...

    But then, what do I know?

    A Guy
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