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Removing Start for Windows 8 was the right thing to do

  1. #71


    India
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    And BTW, I hate iPhone too!
    Cheers!!

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  2. #72


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    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    You're not going to find hard facts and comparisons in efficiency of using the Start Menu over the Start Screen because tech bloggers are too busy with the usual opinionated complaints. After all, they are searching for clicks.

    Until tech bloggers start providing facts and data all we have to rely on is Microsoft themselves as to why they did what they did and why they believe the Start Menu is more efficient. The Build Windows 8 blog has interesting information in all aspects of Windows 8 and often they back it up with data.

    Here is one on the Start Menu\Start Screen, there are others.

    Reflecting on your comments on the Start screen - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion of Windows 8 and many naysayers bring up valid reasons based on the way THEY use their computer. However, many also state their opinions as fact "It doesn't work for me so it's not going to work for anyone else, Windows 8 will fail!". We don't know how the general population will receive W8 but over the next few months we are going to find out and we'll have plenty to discuss when the time comes.
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  3. #73


    Thanks for the article lead, R0bR. Good information. Ditto on your post.
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  4. #74


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    Yes, thanks for the article R0bR. But I'm just a bit (just slightly) disappointed that the article is a year old one. Some changes have probably taken place in the past one year. But something is always better than nothing.

    Personally, if we are talking about start menus (no start screen), I liked XP's start menu (only the all programs part) more than 7's (never used Vista) because in XP if you clicked or hovered over All Programs, you didn't need to scroll to see all the programs installed. It's, however, nothing more than a very personal opinion of mine.
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  5. #75


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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion of Windows 8 and many naysayers bring up valid reasons based on the way THEY use their computer. However, many also state their opinions as fact "It doesn't work for me so it's not going to work for anyone else, Windows 8 will fail!".
    Who is saying this?
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  6. #76


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    You're not going to find hard facts and comparisons in efficiency of using the Start Menu over the Start Screen.
    Hi Rob.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you did say somewhere in another post that you stoppped using the Start Menu with Win7?

    This is not a trick question or an attempt to criticize whatever method you use, but I am genuinely interested to know exactly what it is, because if it is more efficient, then I'd be interested in using it.

    These are a few of the things I find Orb Start Menu useful for, aside from not having to leave desktop to access apps:

    • Single click on User Name to access AppData/Documents, Contacts, Favorites, etc. Useful after reloading an Acronis image of OS to drag/drop files into these folders from storage partition on main HD.
    • Accessing sub or sub-sub-menus of seldom used apps.
    • Jump menu for once a week apps, such as registry cleaners.
    • Accessing stuff when desktop screen is full. For example when using full screen internet explorer, etc.
    • Uninstalling programs using the manufacturer's uninstall option.
    • Search command box for regedit, etc.
    • Being able to send program shortcuts to desktop.
    • Editing program names in All Programs.

    Cheers M
    Last edited by Mustang; 24 Oct 2012 at 18:44.
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  7. #77


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    You're not going to find hard facts and comparisons in efficiency of using the Start Menu over the Start Screen.
    Hi Rob.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you did say somewhere in another post that you stoppped using the Start Menu with Win7?

    This is not a trick question or an attempt to criticize whatever method you use, but I am genuinely interested to know exactly what it is, because if it is more efficient, then I'd be interested in using it.

    These are a few of the things I find Orb Start Menu useful for, aside from not having to leave desktop to access apps:
    Yes I stopped using the Start Menu for launching any applications, most used applications are pinned to my taskbar, less used applications were on Object Dock, I mostly accessed Start Menu for search.


    • Single click on User Name to access AppData/Documents, Contacts, Favorites, etc. Useful after reloading an Acronis image of OS to drag/drop files into these folders from storage partition on main HD. File Explorer is pinned to the Task bar, my profile is in my favorites list plus there are the libraries.
    • Accessing sub or sub-sub-menus of seldom used apps. Object Dock or search for even seldom used.
    • Jump menu for once a week apps, such as registry cleaners. Don't use them for apps, my documents change rapidly as well so either search for documents or Office apps have recent docs, if I know my latest document is there sure I'll access it that way.
    • Accessing stuff when desktop screen is full. For example when using full screen internet explorer, etc. Doesn't matter how full my screen is nothing hides my access points.
    • Uninstalling programs using the manufacturer's uninstall option. Not often I come across applications that aren't uninstalled through Uninstall Program in the Control Panel. But yes if the obscure app only has uninstall in the Start Menu I have no choice.
    • Search command box for regedit, etc. ??
    • Being able to send program shortcuts to desktop. I have no shortcuts on my desktop.
    • Editing program names in All Programs. I don't have a requirement to do so.


    Don't get me wrong, it's not like I avoid it like the plague as there are obviously times when I need to if I have to pin new applications to the Task Bar or something. What I'm saying is that for my everyday computer use the Start Menu is not primary access point, my annoyance with it is pretty much navigating the hierarchy of the All Programs menu so I do without.

    I'm not knocking the Start Menu, I know that it works for many but it doesn't for me and I'm more efficient and productive not using it. It doesn't mean others will be, I've just been doing it long enough that I have become efficient at it by using search, keyboard shortcuts, task bar etc. So my change to Windows 8 was that nothing much has changed except now I use the Start Screen instead of Object Dock and configured my mouse for W8 (access to charms, app launcher, start screen, close app). Even so during my whole work day I'm in desktop 98% of the time so it feels no different to me than using Windows 7.
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  8. #78


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    I loathe the touch-screen concept with a passion.

    I will never buy a desktop with a touch-screen.

    Nor a laptop.

    Touch DOES NOT BELONG on these devices.

    At ALL.

    It certainly has NO place on my machines.

    Fine on a phone or tablet, but unacceptable on REAL machines.

    Just as well W8 works just fine with a mouse, or I'd be giving it
    a miss, no matter how 'good' it is.
    I remember when I wasn't sure why anyone would want to use a mouse. Wordstar and Lotus 123 worked just fine without one. Okay, it didn't take long to get past that mind freeze. I don't plan to get involved with touch screens soon but I'm sure I will sometime. Meanwhile Windows 8 looks like fun and still supports every productive thing I am doing with Windows 7.
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  9. #79


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    You can have the best of both OS bringing back the win 7 star menu without touching any source code in windows 8, If you have a tablet maybe you donīt need the windows 7 start menu but if happen that your using windows 8 on a desktop is really painful with mouse & keyboard.
    Just google these too programs (actually there are 5 more like this): StartIsBack & start8 (from stardock) they Restored Windows 7 Start Menu and Start Button and they disabled hot corners by default but charms hot corners, so you'll still have windows 8 start menu with all your apps. BTW you need to activate windows firewall in order to install apps from windows store.
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  10. #80


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Yes I stopped using the Start Menu for launching any applications, most used applications are pinned to my taskbar, less used applications were on Object Dock, I mostly accessed Start Menu for search.

    • Single click on User Name to access AppData/Documents, Contacts, Favorites, etc. Useful after reloading an Acronis image of OS to drag/drop files into these folders from storage partition on main HD. File Explorer is pinned to the Task bar, my profile is in my favorites list plus there are the libraries.
    • Accessing sub or sub-sub-menus of seldom used apps. Object Dock or search for even seldom used.
    • Jump menu for once a week apps, such as registry cleaners. Don't use them for apps, my documents change rapidly as well so either search for documents or Office apps have recent docs, if I know my latest document is there sure I'll access it that way.
    • Accessing stuff when desktop screen is full. For example when using full screen internet explorer, etc. Doesn't matter how full my screen is nothing hides my access points.
    • Uninstalling programs using the manufacturer's uninstall option. Not often I come across applications that aren't uninstalled through Uninstall Program in the Control Panel. But yes if the obscure app only has uninstall in the Start Menu I have no choice.
    • Search command box for regedit, etc. ??
    • Being able to send program shortcuts to desktop. I have no shortcuts on my desktop.
    • Editing program names in All Programs. I don't have a requirement to do so.
    Thanks very much Rob for all that info and for going to all that trouble. I'm not familiar with Object Dock, presume it's 3rd party?

    Re: "Search command box for regedit". Sorry didn't make this clear. If I type "regedit" into "Search programs and files" box in Start Menu and hit Enter on keyboard it opens Registry. Ditto for commands like "sfc /scannow', "msconfig", etc.

    It's good to see how other persons achieve various tasks and I can see how you wouldn't need Orb/Start Menu with the method you use. I'm sure with a bit of time and practice I could use a similar system. Food for thought.

    Cheers M.
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