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Removing Start for Windows 8 was the right thing to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyvu View Post
    Put spacers in the Start screen and move all the icons you don't want off to the right of the spacers. That way, you have a clean Start screen.
    Yes dirtyvu. I removed the spacers to make a screen shot and post. I use that tile app and will fill in the spaces with images, to be used like wallpaper, or blanks, to place the tiles on the screen where I want them. Usually bottom right corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    I want a holding pen for my programs. The taskbar is too small, the Metro Start screen is too stupid. Where am I supposed to put all the stuff that's in my 7 Start menu now?
    Since you have said on previous occasions that you will not use 8, and are probably not using 8 now, all I can suggest is that the all apps area is where program groups are automatically created like the start menu. Some will never accept the priority of the touch centric design, but that is the way it is. I find it very easy to use with touchpad or mouse / keyboard. And it does not seem cluttered in any way to me.
    Last edited by mdmd; 22 Oct 2012 at 18:27.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Some will never accept the priority of the touch centric design, but that is the way it is.
    Huh? My phone is touch and it makes sense to have it that way. Same with a tablet. It's got nothing to do with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Some will never accept the priority of the touch centric design, but that is the way it is.
    Huh? My phone is touch and it makes sense to have it that way. Same with a tablet. It's got nothing to do with that.
    Yes, but my desktop is not mobile. So 8 is a phone / desktop OS. It does have to do with the fact that my PC is used as a traditional desktop PC in every way. I happen to appreciate the difference from previous versions. I like the new design. It is a touch and mouse / keyboard combo design with an emphasis on touch. Removal of the start menu was part of the touch centric design. You could say touch has no place on a desktop PC, for home use or business. But that is not how technology is evolving. I might even buy a Surface computer but am very disappointed they are not using USB3. Why put USB2 on a new device?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    You could say touch has no place on a desktop PC, for home use or business. But that is not how technology is evolving.
    I could say that but I don't. On the other hand, try touch with a 300 row spreadsheet with the way desktops and monitors are configured now. Try it with anything configured as monitors and desktops are now. Going in a direction is not the same as being where you are now. Leaning over your desk at work, leaning over your desk at home - total PITA in 2012. What about 2022? Maybe not. But to say - gee, I want to play Fruit Slice on my monitor that's three feet away from my shoulder. Yeah OK, have fun.

    Down the road, if MS or anyone else can configure PCs differently and better, I'm all for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    You could say touch has no place on a desktop PC, for home use or business. But that is not how technology is evolving.
    I could say that but I don't. On the other hand, try touch with a 300 row spreadsheet with the way desktops and monitors are configured now.
    This is another issue. 8 is a fully functional business OS that can be configured for use by anyone. Touch has little to do with the current release on the desktop. Spreadsheets and other technical applications are easily handled in Win32 (the desktop). How application development will evolve is an unknown quantity. For the foreseeable future, most every desktop application will be handled by Win32. WinRT is more consumer based for average folks and not business. The inclusion of Office, in Win RT devices, makes it clear that the evolution of the new design has a significant use potential. The removal of the start menu should not be a deal breaker.

    Spreadsheet apps and business apps can be launched easily from WinRT and should not interfere with a working environment. It is a pleasure to experience WinRT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I might even buy a Surface computer but am very disappointed they are not using USB3. Why put USB2 on a new device?
    The Surface Pro has USB 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    The Surface Pro has USB 3.
    That's great! I was reading a specification online today that said USB2. Oh well, so much the better.
    Oops... I was looking at a different model.

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    As it relates to the removal of the start menu, arguing over tile count, or an effort to organize, or whether you like the new design, does not invalidate the competency of the OS. Skipping an OS is a fine idea, since they are released every 3 years or so, but making a judgement about fitness for use based on a dislike of the user interface is irrational. Just because you don't like the appearance of it, does not equate with - the OS cannot function properly and is not suitable for use. How you use a computer is always affected by dramatic changes to a routine. The classic shell or other options are a great ideas. You will have to spend time configuring your new menu, however. If one is concerned about being taken away from the desktop, even for a split second, then you have lost me. I am not zoomed into any critical application that requires tedious attention. I am going to get a cup of coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    but making a judgement about fitness for use based on a dislike of the user interface is irrational.

    What is it with you Metro people? My reasons are rational. I just happen to disagree with you - I'm not calling into question your mental state, I don't argue that you're running a fool's errand with touch technology, etc.

    I mean c'mon.
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