Will 'normal' Windows users want a Start button for Windows 8?

SweetLabs joins a handful of other companies offering to bring the more familiar Start menu/Button back to Windows 8.

Readers of this blog -- other than my mom (hi, mom!) -- are not normal, regular users. Sorry, you/we are not.

"Normal" users are people who get their work (and play) done on Windows, but who are not techies or those who write about them. They are the people who are not likely to have done any real testing of Windows 8 so far. And they are the people who are either going to love or hate Windows 8 when they get to use it in retail stores for the first time next week.

They are the "regular" people like Lockergnome's Chris Pirillo's dad -- a video of whom attempting to use a test build of Windows 8 went viral. Whether you consider Pirillo's video a page-view stunt or not (I am in the "not" camp), you might want to check out another video of his created in conjunction with startup SweetLabs.

This time, Pirillo captured the reactions of various folks in the University District area of Seattle last month who got to try Windows 8 for their first time. These users were checking it out on laptops with keyboards. Their reactions run from interest, to puzzlement, to nervous laughter (in the case of one woman who identified herself as an admin who is quite conversant with Windows).

Check it out:

Read more at source:
Will 'normal' Windows users want a Start button for Windows 8? | ZDNet
 
It is my belief that Microsoft is respecting the intelligence of people enough to expect them to think that it would not be difficult to use. This video, in the article, is so lame and unfair. It's like, on the street, are you smarter than a 5th grader? questions. They are confronted with Windows 8 for the first time and are expected to review a 100 million dollar collaboration in 60 seconds. The interviewer is just as uninformed and biased as his father was. People, when confronted on the street, are usually confused and nervous especially when they are being videotaped. What would an on street interview of how people would respond to Ubuntu be like. People generally have to attend some kind of class or support group to learn how to use an Apple. If the interviewer is implying that Windows 8 is bogus because there is no start menu, or they can't see the desktop from the start screen, or they can't figure out how to shut down the computer, then the interviewer is deliberately trying to make a fool out of everyone he tasks.
 

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The author is comparing "normal" users of computers to "regular" users and whether or not either group will miss the Start Button. I believe that most who first use Windows 8 would prefer to have it back. But, I also believe that once they get used to Metro (yep everyone still calls it that--and probably always will), they will not miss the Start button and will feel that they do not need it. Certainly there will be a few who will miss it, but in the end I believe that it will no longer be a controversial subject.
 

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I don't miss the start button, it's not the most important thing to me.
 

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I did find it confusing at first on how to shut down Windows 8. That could have been a lot more clear.
 

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I use Classic Shell and the Quick-Launch toolbar.

BUT.......

I have Classic Shell set to NOT disable Metro (although it IS
set to boot directly to the desktop), and now find that I'm
using both Metro AND the Start orb fairly equally.

No, I don't particularly LIKE it. but am getting used to it, and
it feels better and more natural by the day.

Win 8 WON'T suit everyone, especially 'out-of-the-box', but if
people take a bit of time to learn its differences, and set it up
to suit THEM (as I have) then it's just dandy. There's nothing
I can do on 7 that I can't do just as easily on 8

It is certainly NO 'Vista' or 'BOB' (not that Vista was THAT bad...).
 

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if Metro weren't full screen, I'd not have such a problem with it. That's my biggest issue. It is full screen, mandatory full screen. I'm not on a tablet, I don't need the screen with all the programs on it to cover absolutely everything and break up my work flow. I don't need every program in its own full window either. The fact that it is incredibly ugly is only a minor annoyance. If it weren't full screen, I'd be ... ok-ish with it.
 

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if Metro weren't full screen, I'd not have such a problem with it. That's my biggest issue. It is full screen, mandatory full screen. I'm not on a tablet, I don't need the screen with all the programs on it to cover absolutely everything and break up my work flow. I don't need every program in its own full window either. The fact that it is incredibly ugly is only a minor annoyance. If it weren't full screen, I'd be ... ok-ish with it.
You are only a click away from normal desktop environment. I also don't have a tablet or touch screen and very seldom I use any Metro Apps.
 

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I did find it confusing at first on how to shut down Windows 8. That could have been a lot more clear.

+1 to that, lol I eventually Googled it after I got tiered of pushing the power button on my case to shut down. Then I took it one step further and put a shutdown shortcut on my FKAM screen.
 

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if Metro weren't full screen, I'd not have such a problem with it. That's my biggest issue. It is full screen, mandatory full screen. I'm not on a tablet, I don't need the screen with all the programs on it to cover absolutely everything and break up my work flow. I don't need every program in its own full window either. The fact that it is incredibly ugly is only a minor annoyance. If it weren't full screen, I'd be ... ok-ish with it.
You are only a click away from normal desktop environment. I also don't have a tablet or touch screen and very seldom I use any Metro Apps.

It's true that you are only 1 click away from a normal desktop, but when you don't use the Start Screen at all, and you don't want any Metro apps.....why in the world should you even have to deal with it being there? And without a third party app to restore start screen functionality, or knowing the actual executable to put into Win-R, i too find it incredibly annoying that I have to bring up a full screen menu, or select the search option from the Charms bar, (which in turns opens a full screen menu) to find the application that I want to run. I don't run anything full screen on my laptop or desktop...i certainly don't want the start menu being the whole screen. It was bad enough when it went from 1 column to 2.

Of course, after I find it, and launch it, I pin it to the taskbar so I never have to bother again with the Start Screen....but that's the whole point...To me, the start screen is NOTHING but a Bother. I don't want to use it, it doesn't benefit me in any way, but there is nothing that I can do to avoid it or make it not intrusive.
 

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same old story, ok for mobile devices, for desktop, not much better than windows 7
 

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I straight up say no, normal people don't need the start menu. Just give a brief tutorial of how to pin custom items and arrange tiles, Charms, app navigation/closing, that's it.


It probably won't fit for everyone, right away. It takes a bit to figure it out, and once that's done and over with, the realization of, "Hey this is actually pretty neat" happens. I know this personally as I had to figure it out and use it and later learned how to take advantage of it. It's easy for me and feels like I've been using it for 17 years. I also know this will happen for the most part with normal people too, as I've had a few normal people test it out for about a year now and given the choice, they'd stay with Windows 8 for sure. It's not just because of the features in it, it's just better, to them, to use than using a start menu.

The problem though is that Microsoft didn't throw in a brief tutorial after the first OOBE screen when the PC is first started or when Windows is finished installing. Seriously, I was shown how to use the Microsoft Touch Mouse better than I was with Windows 8. Hopefully, OEMs (not you Samsung) will take it upon themselves to show the user some things. HP will have a tutorial app preinstalled on their PCs and will be out for general downloading in the Windows Store.


No more start menu!
 

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How unrealistic. It's like giving a two-year-old a pencil and paper, then asking the child to write an essay. Good grief! Absolutely no common sense in it.

Bye bye Start Menu! We'll send your friend Mr. Desktop along with you shortly. :)
 

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I did find it confusing at first on how to shut down Windows 8. That could have been a lot more clear.

Perhaps it could have been more clear but it definitely wasn't trivial. Of the 5 icons in the Charm Bar I would think Settings would be the most interesting to investigate for a power user. I noticed the Power option in settings within minutes of installing.
 

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^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video, I didn't really know much about the Charms bar and I didn't find the power off option from the Charms pc settings. I actually found it by logging out from the Start Screen, and then hitting the power button on the logon screen in the lower corner. These hidden menus are not terribly intuitive and having to use hot corners isn't all that appealing for all of us.

And I don't care if Coke Robot thinks it's wicked awesome to flip over to a full screen view of his start tiles to pick an application. All of the delight in the world on his part, doesn't mean I want to experience the same thing. I'm not saying the Start Screen is unusable, but I'm saying that I don't really want to use it.

Without a doubt, here in the US where I live, the majority of cars are automatics. People love to drive them and they are easy to use. But one of my cars happens to be a manual and I absolutely love it. I also happen to own a station wagon too, even though they aren't terribly popular. And I don't torrent movies and tv shows. ---My point being, we are all different and we work different and we have different inclinations.
 

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^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video

So what you're saying is you never watched the Windows 8 reveal at BUILD? I thought watching these things would be the norm for power users, especially with such a drastic change to the UI.
 

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^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video

So what you're saying is you never watched the Windows 8 reveal at BUILD? I thought watching these things would be the norm for power users, especially with such a drastic change to the UI.

That's correct, didn't watch any of that stuff. For a techie, I very rarely ever watch press conferences, or early release stuff. I just wait until I can get my hands on it and figure out how I will actually use it, versus how somebody else will use it.
 

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^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video, I didn't really know much about the Charms bar and I didn't find the power off option from the Charms pc settings. I actually found it by logging out from the Start Screen, and then hitting the power button on the logon screen in the lower corner. These hidden menus are not terribly intuitive and having to use hot corners isn't all that appealing for all of us.

And I don't care if Coke Robot thinks it's wicked awesome to flip over to a full screen view of his start tiles to pick an application. All of the delight in the world on his part, doesn't mean I want to experience the same thing. I'm not saying the Start Screen is unusable, but I'm saying that I don't really want to use it.

Without a doubt, here in the US where I live, the majority of cars are automatics. People love to drive them and they are easy to use. But one of my cars happens to be a manual and I absolutely love it. I also happen to own a station wagon too, even though they aren't terribly popular. And I don't torrent movies and tv shows. ---My point being, we are all different and we work different and we have different inclinations.

That's EXACTLY what I did with the Developer Preview, I only figured it out otherwise when I decided to look into the Charms bar when it dawned on, "Hey, this isn't Windows 7 dummy!" I was doing that for about a week. So in the course of 60 weeks, I knew how to do everything with Windows 8 for 59 of those weeks. A steep learning curve? Not so much.

And I don't care if you chose elder, senile, now archaic methods of computing. :D And like you, I prefer a manual transmission over automatic, I'm just a car guy like that and it's basically a good anti-theft device as well. I also happen to drive a 5 door 1990 Mazda 626, a car which I know for fact CANNOT be found for sale, parts, or even someone else driving one for at least a couple thousand miles away from me. I prefer the practicality as I literally can camp inside my car with my back seats folded down and use it to go on road drives as it's fuel efficient than many cars today. One could say it was a car ahead of its time as a few car makers have taken that style and built crossover SUVs with it. Shoot, I get comments on its style from time to time and even drag raced a few fast and furious wannabes with their fart boxes and won them.

I find that many people will realize that Windows 8 is great, it's new, it's fresh, it's original and not like anything out there. It's a head turner, it's flexible, and can do what you want it to do and just so much more. Once the realization of practicality sets in, it's a no brainer.
 

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I Use stradock Objectdock and Start Button. Have no problems
 

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