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Will 'normal' Windows users want a Start button for Windows 8?

  1. #81


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    I have to say this again,,,, People are missing the cross platform compatibility that MS are trying to create here.

    Think about being able to use all the same apps across all platforms. That is the goal. And if developers would get that idea in their head and develop for that, and people would get past the start screen, android/i??? status symbols, would find that Win8 is a huge leap ahead in real productivity. Especially for Office Users.

    People are so negative about so many things and so anti-MS and Android/iCrap Symbol messiahs they fail to see what a good thing is/can be.

    Stop the cynicism, pull ones head out of the sand or other location and wake up. Realize the capabilities and start there.
    Otherwise, well, let's just leave it at that.

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  2. #82


    Posts : 17
    Windows


    I am surprised that I do not miss the Start Button! I rarely think about it and I am in the Desktop 99% of the time. I have Rocketdock to access most of the programs I use. But I have to admit I found a link on how to pin the "Programs" to the right side of my tack bar so I have all my programs folders at my fingertips if I need them. Windows 8 pro has been running smooth for me since the release...knock on wood

    cheers
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  3. #83


    Posts : 1,339
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by AuntieParticle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleJay View Post
    You can use 'Windows key' + X, to get the shortcut to control panel and others
    Is there a list of keyboard commands for Windows 8 somewhere? It would come in handy.
    Yes, look in the tutorial section of this forum. There some very fine tutorials some having to do with the keyboard shortcuts for navigating Windows 8.
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AuntieParticle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleJay View Post

    Is there a list of keyboard commands for Windows 8 somewhere? It would come in handy.
    Yes, look in the tutorial section of this forum. There some very fine tutorials some having to do with the keyboard shortcuts for navigating Windows 8.
    www.eightforums.com/showthread.php?t=2355
    Thank you both! I missed that one in the tutorials.
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  4. #84


    Posts : 10
    windows 8


    We forget so quickly. Sooner or later third party apps will be available to restore the start menu as we knew it in win 7. I also miss the quick launch bar. The start screen is already available as a third party program and the other apps will be coming very soon. That is, if we want them badly enough.

    I don't particularly like the "metro" screen and go right to the desktop. I get's me to my work programs quickly enough.

    After an hour or so and learning the keys again I'm very comfortable with Windows 8. I think over time it is a winner.
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  5. #85


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    The latest 3.6.3 release of Classic Shell fixes a few bugs and now adds a second Start orb when running dual monitors to what would be the UltraMon or DisplayFusion smart bar. That will solve the Start button and All Program menu situation fast enough. The options also include a Metro style which brings you right back to the Win 8 Start again.
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  6. #86


    or you can make a VBS for opening Start Screen, make a shortcut of it, and pin it to taskbar.
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  7. #87


    Portland, Oregon, USA
    Posts : 182
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64, Windows Server 2012 R2 x64


    I dont particularly miss the Start button all that much, but i did find it useful enough in certain situations that i decided to dole out $5 for the Start8 product from Stardock, given that the price was right. i'm sure i'll get used to the new Metro/Modern Start screen soon enough. i did try a few free apps that emulate the Start butto, but none of them came close to Start8 in terms of being nearly identical to the original. A downside of the product though, is it it's not nearly as configurable as the Start button provided by other programs like Classic Shell. I also do believe that a good tactic for MS would be to integrate the original button back into 8, but to have it turned off by default, so that users will be encouraged to get used to Metro. They could bury the option for bringing the old button back into a menu somewhere in the Control Panel or something. while not advertising that it can be turned on and off. In the end i do believe that the old button will end up being phased out no matter what as 8 improves. people will feel less and less of a need for it.
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  8. #88


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    What you are seeing on 8 is not the desktop gui to begin with. Instead of developing an updated desktop version they only worked on the core elements, stripped the basics down including the removal of the Media Center and loss of dvd playback and likely video playback support for the new Windows Media Player to shrink the OS down and then lower the price.

    The Modern as MS once called it was developed for Windows RT which the OS used on the new MS line of Surface Tablets. They borrowed that to make a new Windows 8 version look the same and unfortunately act like a touchscreen gui that you just happen to be able to point and click on.

    Right away the manufacturers knew this wasn't going to work out very well and why they went to work on their own forms of bringing back the Startt menu! MS was "pulling a fast one" on those that can't see between the lines on this one! When they realized Vista was "Windows is getting too big" they made a great stride in seeing a success with 7 while now trying to turn a full Windows version into something else in order to make Windows not much more then an OS name alone.

    When you start seeing $40 prices for Pro when the previous was $220 you know something is up!
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  9. #89


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    I have to say this again,,,, People are missing the cross platform compatibility that MS are trying to create here.

    Think about being able to use all the same apps across all platforms. That is the goal. And if developers would get that idea in their head and develop for that, and people would get past the start screen, android/i??? status symbols, would find that Win8 is a huge leap ahead in real productivity. Especially for Office Users.

    People are so negative about so many things and so anti-MS and Android/iCrap Symbol messiahs they fail to see what a good thing is/can be.

    Stop the cynicism, pull ones head out of the sand or other location and wake up. Realize the capabilities and start there.
    Otherwise, well, let's just leave it at that.

    you know this is actually what scares me about the cross platform.

    i use my phone to make calls and send messages and check email, i also use it to get live feeds of formula 1 when it's on and bbc news....and lolpics, now i'm probably a little strange in this world but that's all i use my phone for.

    now i'll go to an extreme of why cross platform especially from a phone is rather strange and personally a little insulting.
    remember this is an extreme

    angry birds on your phone seems about right to pass a few boring minutes waiting on a bus right?

    so let me get this right, you want that same app on your 4 core 8 thread 16gb ram sli/crossfired 2-3k pc with water cooling and a ssd and 3tb of storage.

    you don't have better games to play?
    you don't have better applications to use?

    now getting that extreme version of sarcasm out the way

    free applications are better than most apps from the store, play better look better have better features, when comparing what can be run cross platform.

    I agree with the user experiance and look and feel being shared cross platform.

    but why in the world would you want to use an utterly terrible and frankly insulting app designed for a phone on a 22"+ high def monitor being run by a pc that would actually slap you if it had arms and hands.

    i think metro apps are fine for what they are but they are not replacments for full on applications and untill those developers start to realise the capabilities of the pc then why should we realise the lack of usable apps for desktop purposes.

    cross platform is nice in theory but pointless in practice.

    some may like having a 2000 pc running a phone app...i certainly won't touch an app like that.
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  10. #90


    VA USA
    Posts : 349
    W8.1up1 Pro x64 w/media center


    Well I about got this beast windows 8 installed and running as I want, but as usual there won't be any rest. They took out the start menu. But I found a program for that, they took all the old games out, but I fond a program to replace them, they took all the gadgets out, found a program to re place them too. Now I want to find a way to restore the aero ability, this W8 looks too bland. And that start menu program also boots the thing back to the usual desktop view.

    I did the upgrade only because I went from 7 home premium to 8 pro for $15 and the media center was thrown in the deal. It took since Oct 26th to get a graphics driver that works with this switchable graphics mess.

    Yes I'm sure as time goes on most people will "be used" to the metro thing, since W8 is the only OS option now on new PC's, but MS could have made it a bit easier to transition for users of the other OS's, like have a duel GUI selection available, so people could use what they are used to when working, but also try out the metro thing when ready.

    This is what I settled with works well for me

    Start Menu X


    btw: to show how far behind the times I am, I don't own a cell phone, and just this weekend ordered my DSL, have used dialup for 10 years. But so it goes, you do what it takes.
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