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Will 'normal' Windows users want a Start button for Windows 8?

  1. #11


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    same old story, ok for mobile devices, for desktop, not much better than windows 7

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by brummyfan View Post
    I don't miss the start button, it's not the most important thing to me.
    same here totally agree
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  3. #13


    Posts : 5,707
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    I straight up say no, normal people don't need the start menu. Just give a brief tutorial of how to pin custom items and arrange tiles, Charms, app navigation/closing, that's it.


    It probably won't fit for everyone, right away. It takes a bit to figure it out, and once that's done and over with, the realization of, "Hey this is actually pretty neat" happens. I know this personally as I had to figure it out and use it and later learned how to take advantage of it. It's easy for me and feels like I've been using it for 17 years. I also know this will happen for the most part with normal people too, as I've had a few normal people test it out for about a year now and given the choice, they'd stay with Windows 8 for sure. It's not just because of the features in it, it's just better, to them, to use than using a start menu.

    The problem though is that Microsoft didn't throw in a brief tutorial after the first OOBE screen when the PC is first started or when Windows is finished installing. Seriously, I was shown how to use the Microsoft Touch Mouse better than I was with Windows 8. Hopefully, OEMs (not you Samsung) will take it upon themselves to show the user some things. HP will have a tutorial app preinstalled on their PCs and will be out for general downloading in the Windows Store.


    No more start menu!
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  4. #14


    How unrealistic. It's like giving a two-year-old a pencil and paper, then asking the child to write an essay. Good grief! Absolutely no common sense in it.

    Bye bye Start Menu! We'll send your friend Mr. Desktop along with you shortly.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I did find it confusing at first on how to shut down Windows 8. That could have been a lot more clear.
    Perhaps it could have been more clear but it definitely wasn't trivial. Of the 5 icons in the Charm Bar I would think Settings would be the most interesting to investigate for a power user. I noticed the Power option in settings within minutes of installing.
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  6. #16


    ^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video, I didn't really know much about the Charms bar and I didn't find the power off option from the Charms pc settings. I actually found it by logging out from the Start Screen, and then hitting the power button on the logon screen in the lower corner. These hidden menus are not terribly intuitive and having to use hot corners isn't all that appealing for all of us.

    And I don't care if Coke Robot thinks it's wicked awesome to flip over to a full screen view of his start tiles to pick an application. All of the delight in the world on his part, doesn't mean I want to experience the same thing. I'm not saying the Start Screen is unusable, but I'm saying that I don't really want to use it.

    Without a doubt, here in the US where I live, the majority of cars are automatics. People love to drive them and they are easy to use. But one of my cars happens to be a manual and I absolutely love it. I also happen to own a station wagon too, even though they aren't terribly popular. And I don't torrent movies and tv shows. ---My point being, we are all different and we work different and we have different inclinations.
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video
    So what you're saying is you never watched the Windows 8 reveal at BUILD? I thought watching these things would be the norm for power users, especially with such a drastic change to the UI.
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video
    So what you're saying is you never watched the Windows 8 reveal at BUILD? I thought watching these things would be the norm for power users, especially with such a drastic change to the UI.
    That's correct, didn't watch any of that stuff. For a techie, I very rarely ever watch press conferences, or early release stuff. I just wait until I can get my hands on it and figure out how I will actually use it, versus how somebody else will use it.
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video, I didn't really know much about the Charms bar and I didn't find the power off option from the Charms pc settings. I actually found it by logging out from the Start Screen, and then hitting the power button on the logon screen in the lower corner. These hidden menus are not terribly intuitive and having to use hot corners isn't all that appealing for all of us.

    And I don't care if Coke Robot thinks it's wicked awesome to flip over to a full screen view of his start tiles to pick an application. All of the delight in the world on his part, doesn't mean I want to experience the same thing. I'm not saying the Start Screen is unusable, but I'm saying that I don't really want to use it.

    Without a doubt, here in the US where I live, the majority of cars are automatics. People love to drive them and they are easy to use. But one of my cars happens to be a manual and I absolutely love it. I also happen to own a station wagon too, even though they aren't terribly popular. And I don't torrent movies and tv shows. ---My point being, we are all different and we work different and we have different inclinations.
    That's EXACTLY what I did with the Developer Preview, I only figured it out otherwise when I decided to look into the Charms bar when it dawned on, "Hey, this isn't Windows 7 dummy!" I was doing that for about a week. So in the course of 60 weeks, I knew how to do everything with Windows 8 for 59 of those weeks. A steep learning curve? Not so much.

    And I don't care if you chose elder, senile, now archaic methods of computing. And like you, I prefer a manual transmission over automatic, I'm just a car guy like that and it's basically a good anti-theft device as well. I also happen to drive a 5 door 1990 Mazda 626, a car which I know for fact CANNOT be found for sale, parts, or even someone else driving one for at least a couple thousand miles away from me. I prefer the practicality as I literally can camp inside my car with my back seats folded down and use it to go on road drives as it's fuel efficient than many cars today. One could say it was a car ahead of its time as a few car makers have taken that style and built crossover SUVs with it. Shoot, I get comments on its style from time to time and even drag raced a few fast and furious wannabes with their fart boxes and won them.

    I find that many people will realize that Windows 8 is great, it's new, it's fresh, it's original and not like anything out there. It's a head turner, it's flexible, and can do what you want it to do and just so much more. Once the realization of practicality sets in, it's a no brainer.
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  10. #20


    I Use stradock Objectdock and Start Button. Have no problems
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