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Hyper V and VMWare on the same machine

  1. #11


    Posts : 1,875
    Windows 10 Pro Prieview x64


    What do you have in bcdedit? The set-up below works - if you boot with the second one you can start VMware as hypervisorlauchtype if off. That is the only difference between the first two boot entries.
    You need these settings - it is not just a case of the services running or not...

    Code:
    PS C:\Windows\system32> bcdedit
    Windows Boot Manager
    --------------------
    identifier              {bootmgr}
    device                  partition=\Device\HarddiskVolume1
    description             Windows Boot Manager
    locale                  en-US
    inherit                 {globalsettings}
    integrityservices       Enable
    default                 {default}
    resumeobject            {cccec493-1d67-11e3-bfa5-8567e34eb
    displayorder            {default}
                            {235ee548-59b0-11e3-82a7-70f395506
                            {current}
    toolsdisplayorder       {memdiag}
    timeout                 10
    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier              {default}
    device                  partition=H:
    path                    \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description             Windows 8.1
    locale                  en-US
    inherit                 {bootloadersettings}
    recoverysequence        {cccec495-1d67-11e3-bfa5-8567e34eb
    integrityservices       Enable
    recoveryenabled         Yes
    allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
    osdevice                partition=H:
    systemroot              \Windows
    resumeobject            {cccec493-1d67-11e3-bfa5-8567e34eb
    nx                      AlwaysOn
    bootmenupolicy          Standard
    hypervisorlaunchtype    Auto
    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier              {235ee548-59b0-11e3-82a7-70f395506
    device                  partition=H:
    path                    \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description             Windows 8.1 Hyper-V disabled
    locale                  en-US
    inherit                 {bootloadersettings}
    recoverysequence        {cccec495-1d67-11e3-bfa5-8567e34eb
    integrityservices       Enable
    recoveryenabled         Yes
    allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
    osdevice                partition=H:
    systemroot              \Windows
    resumeobject            {cccec493-1d67-11e3-b
    nx                      AlwaysOn
    bootmenupolicy          Standard
    hypervisorlaunchtype    Off
    debug                   No
    
    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier              {current}
    device                  locate=\Windows\system32\winload.exe
    path                    \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description             VHD_Boot
    locale                  en-US
    inherit                 {bootloadersettings}
    recoverysequence        {cccec495-1d67-11e3-bfa5-8567e34ebb35}
    integrityservices       Enable
    recoveryenabled         Yes
    allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
    osdevice                locate=\Windows
    systemroot              \Windows
    resumeobject            {cccec493-1d67-11e3-bfa5-8567e34ebb35}
    nx                      AlwaysOn
    bootmenupolicy          Standard
    hypervisorlaunchtype    Auto
    detecthal               Yes

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  2. #12


    OK let me try that again and get back to you.
    Here is what is in my Boot loader:

    Windows Boot Manager
    --------------------
    identifier {9dea862c-5cdd-4e70-acc1-f32b344d4795}
    device partition=\Device\HarddiskVolume1
    description Windows Boot Manager
    locale en-US
    inherit {7ea2e1ac-2e61-4728-aaa3-896d9d0a9f0e}
    integrityservices Enable
    default {4df39fec-65d9-11e3-999d-c893be7dcf0d}
    resumeobject {1d432a32-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    displayorder {4df39fec-65d9-11e3-999d-c893be7dcf0d}
    {1d432a33-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    {1d432a3a-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    toolsdisplayorder {b2721d73-1db4-4c62-bf78-c548a880142d}
    timeout 4294967295
    displaybootmenu Yes

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {4df39fec-65d9-11e3-999d-c893be7dcf0d}
    device partition=W:
    path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description Windows 7 64 Bit SSD
    locale en-US
    inherit {6efb52bf-1766-41db-a6b3-0ee5eff72bd7}
    recoverysequence {4df39ff1-65d9-11e3-999d-c893be7dcf0d}
    recoveryenabled Yes
    osdevice partition=W:
    systemroot \Windows
    resumeobject {4df39feb-65d9-11e3-999d-c893be7dcf0d}
    nx OptIn

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {1d432a33-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    device partition=C:
    path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description Windows 8.1 Professional
    locale en-US
    inherit {6efb52bf-1766-41db-a6b3-0ee5eff72bd7}
    recoverysequence {1d432a34-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    integrityservices Enable
    recoveryenabled Yes
    allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
    osdevice partition=C:
    systemroot \Windows
    resumeobject {1d432a32-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    nx OptIn
    pae ForceDisable
    bootmenupolicy Legacy
    hypervisorlaunchtype Off
    useplatformclock Yes

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {1d432a3a-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    device partition=C:
    path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description Hyper-V
    locale en-US
    inherit {6efb52bf-1766-41db-a6b3-0ee5eff72bd7}
    recoverysequence {1d432a34-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    integrityservices Enable
    recoveryenabled Yes
    allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
    osdevice partition=C:
    systemroot \Windows
    resumeobject {1d432a32-ef1f-11e3-a769-8e31c1f9c8af}
    nx OptIn
    pae ForceDisable
    bootmenupolicy Legacy
    hypervisorlaunchtype Auto
    useplatformclock Yes
    Last edited by Indianatone; 16 Jun 2014 at 11:42.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 1,875
    Windows 10 Pro Prieview x64


    It works for me. I have one VM I can only run in VMware - I can't boot it in Hyper-V or Virtualbox. I use Hyper-V for the others. It is quicker to have a boot option than add and remove the Hyper-V option in Windows - that is for sure.

    Kari's post about VirtualBox and Hyper-V working together is interesting but I've not tried it yet...
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  4. #14


    OK It does work. I think I must have forgotten to reboot yesterday or screwed up another setting somewhere. I am very pleased (as a Windows Tinkerer) to have both options open to me.
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  5. #15


    United States
    Posts : 3,093
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    Looks like I was proven wrong, happily.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 1,875
    Windows 10 Pro Prieview x64


    Quote Originally Posted by popeye View Post
    Looks like I was proven wrong, happily.
    Not at all. Setting the boot option is just a quicker way of turning it on and off than going to the "Windows Features" and adding and removing it which takes ages....
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  7. #17


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,377
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    Perhaps I could suggest another approach. This method though will need TWO HDD's.

    1) Ensure you have two HDD's.

    2) Clean install Windows on one of the partitions say HDD1 and activate.

    3) back up image with say macrium / acronis.

    4) Restore to HDD2

    5) now using the Boot menu of the computer just choose which windows HDD you want to boot (one will have HYPER-V the other with VMware / vbox).

    "Seemples" !!!

    Much easier than adding / deleting HYPER-V each time you want to use it. Windows won't need to re-activate on HDD2 - it's a clone of HDD1 running on identical hardware and both aren't running concurrently.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Perhaps I could suggest another approach. This method though will need TWO HDD's.

    1) Ensure you have two HDD's.

    2) Clean install Windows on one of the partitions say HDD1 and activate.

    3) back up image with say macrium / acronis.

    4) Restore to HDD2

    5) now using the Boot menu of the computer just choose which windows HDD you want to boot (one will have HYPER-V the other with VMware / vbox).

    "Seemples" !!!

    Much easier than adding / deleting HYPER-V each time you want to use it. Windows won't need to re-activate on HDD2 - it's a clone of HDD1 running on identical hardware and both aren't running concurrently.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yep you can suggest that as a way of doing it. There are 6 hard drives on the machine with Windows 7 Ultimate as the main and Windows 8.1 on a 149GB HD. Lots of other stuff so I feel the boot turn it off feature works fine for me. Would doing it your way Jimbo technically be a violation of Windows 8 License terms as I would need another licence. Since Technet shut down that now costs serious money just to stick the same OS on a machine twice.
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  9. #19


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,377
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Perhaps I could suggest another approach. This method though will need TWO HDD's.

    1) Ensure you have two HDD's.

    2) Clean install Windows on one of the partitions say HDD1 and activate.

    3) back up image with say macrium / acronis.

    4) Restore to HDD2

    5) now using the Boot menu of the computer just choose which windows HDD you want to boot (one will have HYPER-V the other with VMware / vbox).

    "Seemples" !!!

    Much easier than adding / deleting HYPER-V each time you want to use it. Windows won't need to re-activate on HDD2 - it's a clone of HDD1 running on identical hardware and both aren't running concurrently.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yep you can suggest that as a way of doing it. There are 6 hard drives on the machine with Windows 7 Ultimate as the main and Windows 8.1 on a 149GB HD. Lots of other stuff so I feel the boot turn it off feature works fine for me. Would doing it your way Jimbo technically be a violation of Windows 8 License terms as I would need another licence. Since Technet shut down that now costs serious money just to stick the same OS on a machine twice.
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    Hi there

    This actually is NOT a violation of the EULA -- it's Windows on te SAME machine -- you can install Windows as many times as you like on the SAME machine -- you can't RUN more than one concurrently of course.

    Is this any different from say copying Windows to a NEW HDD or restoring an Image. The fact that the HDD is on the Machine rather than in a draw in a closet makes no difference.

    For example say you are testing and have a SATA connector on the front of your machine -- You don't need TWO windows licenses if you change HDD's and boot from the SATA connector.

    You obviously aren't running TWO instances of Windows on the same machine -- there's no COURT on this planet who would think you are breaking the EULA operating Windows like that.

    If it's on a VM that's different as a VM is a separate machine and you would need another license.

    I'd even go so far as to think Ms would approve -- certainly this method makes for a great testing Lab.

    If your conscience really bugs you - get a SATA connector and attach directly to your Mobo -- then get two HDD's with a switch. End of story !!!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #20


    You know how it goes, just want to CoverMyA as they say. Don't want my key blocked for miss use.
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