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  1. #1


    Posts : 43
    Windows 10 Pro

    Windows 8 V2P


    I'm looking for some guidance on Virtual to Physical (V2P) conversions. I searched the forum for 'V2P' and for the first time, received no hits on a search topic.

    A little background first: Following Shawn's excellent tutorial on "How to Install Windows 8 on VMware Player," I recently swtiched from a dual boot Windows 7 & 8 system to running 7 as my 'host' OS and 8 as a guest OS inside a new virtual machine that I set up on my C: drive SSD.

    I plan on getting used to Windows 8 and trying out my apps over the next few weeks (or months). So far, I really like 8 a lot!

    This is all new to me, and today I started thinking about how I will eventually transition Windows 8 from being the 'guest' OS over to the primary 'host' OS. When this time comes, I probably would consider converting 7 over as a guest OS.

    Would that be one of the 'correct' ways to eventually do this?

    Regardless, I thought I would post this thread to see what other Virtual Machine users do to complete such a transition, and to find out what other options might exist?

    Shawn, another tutorial?

    Thank you!

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  2. #2


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Hello there,

    V2P: It seems to be difficult for the moment (and in some cases impossible). Vmware Converter does't support this yet, hopefully on newer version.

    However they provide a working procedure (might not be 100% possible on all hosts but there is at least a possibility).

    See here:
    Virtual to Physical Documentation and Sample Configurations

    But if it seems to be too complex or difficult to achieve then go with a new, clean install of the OS again.
    Installing all programs from scratch may be faster or easier that the V2P but this can depend on the user choice an experience as well.
    So I haven't checked or performed something similar yet. A clean install works well in my case. The clean install OS will be snappier than the older V2P copy anyway. But you are free to try it out: seems interesting.

    Regards
    Hopachi
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  3. #3


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    Here's a suggestion (You have to think in alternative ways to do this stuff sometimes).

    1) Use something like Acronis in the VM and backup to an external USB device.It's easy enough to attach a USB disk to the VM.
    If you as you should do have spit the VM's OS and data disks only back up the OS partition (and the system partition - if it exists - yes it can exist even on a VM).

    2) now RESTORE using the Universal restore feature or equivalent to partitions or disks on the main HOST.

    3) Boot -- remember to set the Boot Disk priority in the REAL BIOS to the disk you've restored your vm image to.

    it probably on ist attempt will BSOD - just enable recovery using W8 recovery disk. Should work after 2 or 3 goes --I've done this myself a few times as this always seems to work better then V2P utilities.

    Pre-amble -- before taking the image UNINSTALL vmtools -- or vbox extensions depending on the vm software you are using. Although this isn't a pre-requisite it's impossible to uninstall vmtools from a Physical machine you've created by V2P from VMware - doesn't stop the physical machine from operating though so you can safely skip the step if you want.

    Also change disks from SCSI to IDE (you can re-enable these as SATA in the BIOS of the PHYSICAL machine before booting the RECOVERY disk after the ist BSOD (you'll unless you are incredibly lucky get 2 or 3 of these before you get a successful boot).

    Another point to look for is AHCI in BIOS - since the vm will emulate IDE / SCSI you probably will have to disable this in the BIOS of the REAL machine before booting -- only trial and error will work here.

    Advantage of using programs like acronis is that they CAN restore to different hardware --even if they can't find all the new hardware they can usually create a bootable system from which the hardware drivers can be found by windows again. These are MUCH easier methods of doing V2P rather than classical V2P converter utilities.

    Once you've got a successful boot you'll almost certainly get asked to re-activate Windows as I assume the hardware will have changed -- although I must confess with 2 W7 Machines I did the V2P on I never got asked for a re-activation.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #4


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Here's a suggestion

    1) Use something like Acronis in the VM and backup to an external USB device.It's easy enough to attach a USB disk to the VM.
    If you as you should do have spit the VM's OS and data disks only back up the OS partition (and the system partition - even if it exists - yes it can exist even on a VM).

    2) now RESTORE using the Universal restore feature or equivalent to a partitions or disks on the main HOST.

    3) Boot -- it probably on ist attempt will BSOD - just enable recovery using W8 recovery disk. Should work after 2 or 3 goes --I've done this myself a few times as this always seems to work better then V2P utilities.

    Pre-amble -- before taking the image UNINSTALL vmtools -- or vbox extensions depending on the vm software you are using. Although this isn't a pre-requisite it's impossible to uninstall vmtools from a Physical machine you've created by V2P from VMware - doesn't stop the physical machine from operating though so you can safely skip the step if you want.

    Also change disks from SCSI to IDE (you can re-enable these as SATA in the BIOS of the PHYSICAL machine before booting the RECOVERY disk after the ist BSOD (you'll unless you are incredibly lucky get 2 or 3 of these before you get a successful boot).

    Another point to look for is AHCI in BIOS - since the vm will emulate IDE / SCSI you probably will have to disable this in the BIOS of the REAL machine before booting -- only trial and error will work here.

    Advantage of using programs like acronis is that they CAN restore to different hardware --even if they can't find all the new hardware they can usually create a bootable system from which the hardware drivers can be found by windows again. These are MUCH easier methods of doing V2P rather than classical V2P converter utilities.

    Once you've got a successful boot you'll almost certainly get asked to re-activate Windows as I assume the hardware will have changed -- although I must confess with 2 W7 Machines I did the V2P on I never got asked for a re-activation.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yes it's easier than the standard V2P I've found. Hopefully all goes well.

    Still, I have a hunch that for Windows 8 we will need to reactivate it again, seems to be very sensitive on hardware change.
    It seems that for a simple network adapter change reactivation is needed:
    Windows 8 activation

    We'll just have to wait and see when we'll perform some of those transitions form machine to machine.
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  5. #5


    Posts : 43
    Windows 10 Pro


    Thanks Hopachi and jimbo... I can see that I have more research to do on this. I have already read on another thread that I may not be able to move my Windows 7 Home Premium over to a VM because it came installed on my Dell XPS 8100 computer.

    I'll need to dig in to this more.

    Thanks again.
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  6. #6


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    You got me interested in this subject .

    The other way around is a piece of cake but I have never tried moving a Windows virtual machine to a real physical computer.

    Theoretically this method should work. It uses sysprep to generalize Windows which is then hardware independent. Going to test it this coming weekend.

    Kari
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  7. #7


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    You got me interested in this subject .

    The other way around is a piece of cake but I have never tried moving a Windows virtual machine to a real physical computer.

    Theoretically this method should work. It uses sysprep to generalize Windows which is then hardware independent. Going to test it this coming weekend.

    Kari
    That's a really good tutorial!

    I'm sure we're all a bit curious on how the test goes.

    Thanks for the link.
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  8. #8


    Posts : 43
    Windows 10 Pro


    I agree... good tutorial, Kari.

    I got way too busy learning how to do system imaging and data backups (and actually ran in to a EULA issue with the setup mentioned in my original post), and did not dig in to this any further.

    Would love to hear how it goes for you this weekend, though.

    Thank you.
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  9. #9


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi Kari
    Thanks for the tutorial -- I'll have a go with that too -- although the Acronis method works fine -- your method doesn't rely on having a 3rd party product either.
    cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #10


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    The best part of that method is that the method used, sysprepping with /generalize switch, is exactly designed for that: to remove all hardware dependencies to better allow image deployment.

    Although designed for enterprise environment there's nom reason why it should not be used on single PCs.

    Kari
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