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Is it a VM problem or is Win8 just a bad OS?

  1. #1


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    Is it a VM problem or is Win8 just a bad OS?


    Hello,

    So I installed Windows 8 Pro 32-Bit as a virtual machine on VMware Workstation 9, so I can try the new OS before deciding if I want to upgrade my Windows 7 laptop to it. I played around with it for several days, until one day (well actually, it was just today) the OS failed to start up. It said it is diagnosing the OS and then a blue screen popped up (I'm not sure if this is considered a BTOD or whatever), titled "Automatic Repair" telling me that "Windows couldn't load correctly" and advising me to use the Windows Restore function to fix the problem. After pressing the "Restore" button I see the boot screen (blue Windows logo on black background), after dozens of minutes, a blue screen returns and it says that "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC" and offers me to instead try some "Advanced options".
    ANYWAY, I'm not asking for advice on how to fix the problem, since I can easily just reinstall Win8 on VM without losing anything important really. What I am wondering is - was this problem that I had most likely caused by some kind of virtual machine error (maybe I didn't shut the virtual machine properly one time), or was it caused because Windows 8 really is a bad OS?
    Last edited by Stemro; 15 Nov 2012 at 09:49.

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    Windows Server 2012 Standard w/Hyper-V


    A BSOD in a VM is going to be difficult to diagnose, since there's no real hardware. I'm assuming you installed VMware Tools? You can also test out Windows 8 using native VHD biit, which is going to be a better gauge of your hardware compatibility. I personally have never experienced a BSOD with Windows 8.
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    Well I'm %99 sure VMware Tools installed itself automatically after I installed Windows 8 in Easy Install. But what I'm asking is - do you think running an Windows 8 in a virtual machine increases the chance of having problems like what I had?
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    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    To be sure, you'll have to do the VHD install mentioned by Kebero. Using virtual hardware is not making sure your real pc can handle the OS well. VM's run better if your CPU has virtualisation (enabled from BIOS).

    I never had problems like that in a VM. Did you installed any (heavy) programs in the VM?
    Since W8 is new, it's a bit hard to virtualize. Keep in mind that there are a bunch of performance and stability updates released for Win8 in case that helps. You probably updated workstation (9.0.1) as well.

    Another thing: use 1CPU in the VM to test things first since multiple CPU's can decrease performance.
    This will not help that much but I think the updates will.
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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    VM's run better if your CPU has virtualisation (enabled from BIOS).
    from memory Vmware WS will not even install if it's not enable in the BIO'S so the problem is not there

    to the op , How much Ram allocated to Windows 8 VM ? ........ When you create a VM in Vmware WS , make sure to choose install the OS later. Then adjust your hardwware setting make sure to provide enough RAM and cpu , I use 4 gb for my VM as I have 32 gb on my system . After Install you will have to manually install the VM tools, it's easy you click install tools in the VM menu. This will mount the tools in the virtual DVD and you start the install.

    I have no try VMware WS 9 on Windows 7 PC, but on Windows 8 it work flawless and I have now 3 Windows 8 VM running flawless in it. So it'S not that Windows 8 is a bad OS
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    I just did the Easy Install option and installed Win8 with all the default VMware options. It also automatically installed VMware Tools. I think the RAM that was allocated by default was 1GB.
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    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    from memory Vmware WS will not even install if it's not enable in the BIO'S so the problem is not there
    Hmmm... good to know!
    I was using Player 5.0.0.

    But Player installed and VT was turned off in BIOS then the VM's crashed and rebooted the host.
    VT set to ON and now with better results.

    Win98/ME still crashes:
    This was Ivy Bridge issue and they recommended the update to 5.0.1 (WS 9.0.1) to fix the issue.

    All works now!
    I'll leave VT on. Did BIOS update: fixed issues were support for Win8! What? I was already using Win8... And the guys from HP always disable VT by default.

    Still good that all works now.
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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post

    Hmmm... good to know!
    I was using Player 5.0.0.

    But Player installed and VT was turned off in BIOS
    the OP as Vmware Workstation 9, I guess for $ 200 you have a little more and different from the free Player.
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    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post

    Hmmm... good to know!
    I was using Player 5.0.0.

    But Player installed and VT was turned off in BIOS
    the OP as Vmware Workstation 9, I guess for $ 200 you have a little more and different from the free Player.
    That's true.

    Workstation also includes Player and the two use the same hypervisor (the VMX process) and same settings apply.

    WS just gives you extra features but the two are, for basic usage, the same.

    So if your sound has issues in Workstation, it will definitely have it in Player.
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    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    I was wondering:

    Since area66 doesn't have sound issues on WS9 and I only noticed a few with some VM's, there has to be something else wrong on the VMX settings or the host.

    I can confirm I get some rare stuttering of sound on the host as well and only on that machine the sound is bad on VMware.
    Hardware is new: some IDT audio chip.
    So in my case it can be the the host but WinME VM has good sound but XP and Win7 have bad sound... and they all use different virtual sound adapters.
    This is hard to check but just to make sure I'll try first to update all the drivers I can find on the host pc where this issues occur.

    One way or the other, it believe it can be fixed.

    Bonne chance!
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