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Windows 8 To Go - Setup on a USB Flash Drive or USB Disk

  1. #80


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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTittel View Post
    Great tutorial, thanks very much. First really good argument for USB 3 I've come across, aside from the usual impulse to go "Faster, FASTER!" in today's world. I'm thinking long and hard about adding USB 3 to my Lenovo notebooks (X220 Tablet and T520) via the regular (X220 Tablet) and half-size (T520) PCIe card mounts in those devices. I can pick up 2 or 3 ports' worth of USB 3 for around $35-40. Anybody have any recommendations for such devices? Horror stories? I'm as happy to be steered away from the bad stuff as I am to learn about the good stuff, so please share. From what I see on Newegg, the Startech device looks pretty good. And thanks again,
    --Ed--
    For your PCI Express slot on the laptop you have the USB3 option and the eSata option. Although the specs for eSata are slower than USB3, in the real world it is faster. But, of course, eSata is only good for disks in an eSata enclosure - ideally an SSD.

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    I have eSata ports on the front of the case here but ended up with a fan cooled USB 2.0 enclosure that's been working out well as far as the 1tb drive presently in it. The live 88 stick however was made up here using a 32gb Kingston Data Traveler flash drive which worked well for the CP.

    I have to wonder if someone wrote up a similar guide for 7? I wanted to show a few people how much better 7 was over Vista or XP!
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    I have to wonder if someone wrote up a similar guide for 7? I wanted to show a few people how much better 7 was over Vista or XP!
    For /7, you need the Enterprise edition - because of the licensing. For /8 it only works right now because the license is free. After January 2013, that will stop too.
    Last edited by whs; 06 Jul 2012 at 16:08.
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  4. #83


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I have a question for the audience, has someone used a USB 3.0 flash drive on a USB 2.0 port? And if so, is that acceptably fast?
    Good question:
    Yse I guess you get the maximum speed of USB 2.0 (practically around 40 mb/s max more or less).

    Don't have any USB 3.0 devices yet since I don't have USB 3.0 ports (better to run at optimal speeds).
    That would be 30mb per second not 40 as far as 2.0 is concerned. And even that is never maintained steadily! People goof themselves thinking that each bus will alsways see the "maximum" speed at all times? Not so! Under "ideal" conditions you will simply peak at the maximum speed. As far as plugging a 3.0 device into a 2.0 port the obvious would be plugging a device designed to run on a faster bus being into the slower and not able to run any faster then the slower bus's speed if reaching peak.

    Bench testing two identical installs on the same brand and same flash drives only one being the 3.0 stick and the other a 2.0 stick would be interesting. The only difference for the exact same model as well as size and brand would then be the results from each bus when comparing boot times and other things.
    I would figure that since the flash on a USB 3.0 stick would prove to be faster on the USB 2.0 port since USB 2.0 flash speed is hindered genuinely by the slow speed of the flash. I think the same type of flash memory is used with USB 3.0 drives as SSDs.
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  5. #84


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    I have eSata ports on the front of the case here but ended up with a fan cooled USB 2.0 enclosure that's been working out well as far as the 1tb drive presently in it. The live 88 stick however was made up here using a 32gb Kingston Data Traveler flash drive which worked well for the CP.

    I have to wonder if someone wrote up a similar guide for 7? I wanted to show a few people how much better 7 was over Vista or XP!
    You can use Windows 7 Embedded Standard and I think it's a similar process to install it on a flash drive as it is doing it with 8. Also, you could try using a .vhd file and install 7 onto that and copy it over to the flash drive, make the flash drive a bootable device and make the virtual hard drive a bootable drive as well.

    That's what I actually used to get Windows 7 onto my flash drive before I got 8 installed natively onto it. It seemed to work a bit better than 8, but Windows 8 is still an unfinished product.
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    What I was mainly pointing to was when 7 was still seen in beta and RC form not RTM. I ran across one guide to see the 7 RC run from a flash drive using Portable VirtualBox. This wouldn't be for any long term use to start with as the W8 portable installs here would only be temporary as well.

    Likewise I know how you feel about wanting to show how different 7 is to the two previous versions as well with some hanging onto XP with one friend willing to look at Vista due to his better half's Vista laptop. Since his old XP case bit the dust I am in the process of getting the old Vista build running again.

    He didn't have much of an opinion for 8 however when showing him how it looks and feels when making up a flash drive using the guide here for the CP install. But he didn't like the 7 RC either when I had that set up at one point on his old XP case to dual boot the then new version either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    I have eSata ports on the front of the case here but ended up with a fan cooled USB 2.0 enclosure that's been working out well as far as the 1tb drive presently in it. The live 88 stick however was made up here using a 32gb Kingston Data Traveler flash drive which worked well for the CP.

    I have to wonder if someone wrote up a similar guide for 7? I wanted to show a few people how much better 7 was over Vista or XP!
    You can use Windows 7 Embedded Standard and I think it's a similar process to install it on a flash drive as it is doing it with 8. Also, you could try using a .vhd file and install 7 onto that and copy it over to the flash drive, make the flash drive a bootable device and make the virtual hard drive a bootable drive as well.

    That's what I actually used to get Windows 7 onto my flash drive before I got 8 installed natively onto it. It seemed to work a bit better than 8, but Windows 8 is still an unfinished product.
    Both VM Player and VBox allow you to choose the type of VM where the option for a VHD would be a thought. One of the guides seen for a custom install of 7 on a flash drive would be able to see this done for a temp with any edition using VBox as the host for the VM you can carry with you as explained in one guide. How To Install Windows 7 On USB Flash Drive

    The thing I had in mind however was through the use of the WAIK to see a temp 7 install using just about the same procedures pointed out in the guide here for 8. Once I have a new mini tower case running the RP will have a new home besides a VM where the 7 flash drive set up would allow me to show others still running XP or Vista the improvements as well as differences between the two newer versions.
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  8. #87


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    whs

    I'd like to try using your tutorial.

    Before I proceed.

    Nelson
    Last edited by adamus; 07 Jul 2012 at 09:26. Reason: wrong drive screenshot
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  9. #88


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    That stick looks OK from a performance point of view but don't expect super performance. 8GB will probably work but it is tight.
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    whs

    My mistake, got the wrong drive that I've process. The previous post was drive C:

    Here is the Drive H:




    WAIK still download..
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