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Windows Explorer Auto Arrange - Disable in Windows 8

  1. #20


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    Thank you.


    Edit: But I still have to test it
    Last edited by c627627; 23 Dec 2012 at 12:00.

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  2. #21


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    You're welcome. Odd little quirk isn't it.
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  3. #22


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    Shawn,

    Having a partition image of Windows 8 before applying this patch allowed me to test it three times to confirm that Auto-arrange is indeed disabled globally after applying the patch.

    Now the triple tested downsides, which made me want to not apply the patch to my permanent Win8 image:


    1. If you want to set folder views globally, and not have to set folder views in every single folder you go to, as soon as you set folder views globally to match the folder you are in and you:

    View > Options > View TAB > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

    Now all the folders will have the same View, however Auto arrange now has to be applied individually to every folder. It is no longer applied globally. This is a huge problem. I am willing to test this again if I did not understand correctly how to go about this.


    2. Before patching the system, go to folder containing music files only, and take a screen shot of Content View, like I did earlier.

    After patching the system that same view will have distracting additional information under music files. I was not able to confirm that this workaround works: "Change the view in this order: Tiles > Content being careful not to hover over any other view option to have it change to it. If you go from one of the other views and directly to Content, it doesn't display the same."

    Again, screen shots can confirm/deny this problem. I posted them a couple of posts ago to illustrate it.


    The first problem kills the usability of the patch. I tested this problem when the original Windows 7 patch first came out as well and this was the reason why I never used the Win7 Auto-arrange disabling patch and had to spend more than 50% of time using WinXP partition instead of Win7 (to this day).



    Of course, the patch is great for people who don't care about this or for temporarily applying it before reimaging the system back, my OS partition is small enough for me to reboot into Windows XP and reimage Windows 8 in a couple of minutes - less time than it takes for a short bathroom break. But if people don't image their system, they'll find out about this the hard way.


    Or have I not tested these issues correctly?
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  4. #23


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    c627627,

    It looks like you tested it good to me.

    Q1) Unfortunately, when using "Apply to Folders" it does turn off auto arrange by default for the affected folders. There's not a way around it so far other than unchecking auto arrange again per affected folder. I added a note about this in the tutorial to make sure everyone knows about it.

    Q2) It does have a different "Content" view with more info in it, but using "Change the view going in this order: Tiles -> Content being careful not to hover over any other view option to have it change to it. If you go from one of the other views and directly to Content, it doesn't display the same." has worked for me each time. I'm not sure why it hasn't for you.
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  5. #24


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    Thank you. If it's not too much trouble, using a system on which the patch was applied and on which
    View > Options > View TAB > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK
    was run,
    would you post a small screen shot of Content view of a folder with only music files in it?
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  6. #25


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    No problem.

    Here's the screenshots after using "Apply to Folders" for "Music" folders using "Tiles" then "Content" view.

    Click image for larger version
    Click image for larger version



    Here's "Content" view after using the Enable_Windows_8_Explorer_Auto_Arrange.bat.

    Click image for larger version
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  7. #26


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    Thank you for doing that. So now to get to the bottom of this, to first define correct vs incorrect (as I see it):

    Correct display, the way things should be is your screenshot labeled "after using the Enable_Windows_8_Explorer_Auto_Arrange.bat"

    Incorrect display is the one above that.


    The source of confusion is this: If you both use View > Options > View TAB > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

    *and*

    apply the patch - then you are stuck with the incorrect screenshot - and that's the problem because it messes up your music folder display by permanently displaying it incorrectly as defined by your screenshot 1.
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  8. #27


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    Yeah, it adds a few more details to the "Content" view using "Apply to Folders" and the "Disable Auto Arrange" .bat file.
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  9. #28


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    Thank you for helping me establish that this happens on every system and not just mine. There is the side effect of Content View option not being fully restored then. Some people may not think this is a big deal, but it ruins the music folder view. I have my entire CD collection transferred to PC and play songs directly from Windows folders, I can't be having additional info displayed besides song names, distracting me from quickly selecting songs I want to listen to.

    The patch is still useful for a lot of people, there's no question about that, and once again, thanks for posting this.


    So not being able to group files or folders on different parts of the screen will keep me booting back onto WinXP, frequently. This still remains #1 problem for me with Win7 and 8. But honestly, the way they made the GUI, even if side effects were not there, files/folders just do not move as smoothly and seamlessly as they do on Windows XP.


    Quick Off Topic:

    1. I have just finished my complicated Windows 8 install, and auto-arrange was the first thing I wanted to check in with you. Next is to see if they fixed the memory leak bug when error checking a large external drive. As you may know, they never fixed this under Windows 7. The system slows down after a while if you do an extended scan of your (large) external drive. Looking forward to testing that, was wondering if you knew?


    2. Taking away the Search GUI is the second reason I am forced to reboot into WinXP. The only way I know a file or a folder, is or is not, present on the system is if I do a search from Windows XP using it's GUI Search:

    Name:  Search.jpg
Views: 907
Size:  29.7 KB

    I have caught and took screen shots of Windows 7 search missing search terms that were actually present. I was not able to reliably repeat the missed searches but they happened often enough for me to conclude that the new search engine was totally unreliable in addition to being unusable by average users looking for files containing certain words or created on certain dates or having a certain size, etc.

    Windows 7/8 search engine can do that, but without GUI like in WinXP, you need to memorize a book of commands on how to do a simple search that took less than a second on WinXP because it was a simple matter of CHECKING a search box option.
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  10. #29


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    You're welcome c627627.

    I'm afraid I don't know about the memory leak issue.

    The search issue would be something for a new thread though since it would take this one to far off topic.
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