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User Profiles - Relocate to another Partition or Disk

  1. #660


    Posts : 5
    Windows 8 Pro


    Hello Kari!

    I followed this tutorial a while ago, when I installed windows 8 and again when I upgraded to 8.1

    Meanwhile I upgraded my SSD, and its more than big enough to not be requiring this method anymore.

    I was wondering wether we can expect problems upgrading (or after upgrading) to windows 10, or will windows simply reverse the changes automatically, and move it all back from (currently D the second drive, to its main drive?

    Many thanks!

    Volturnus

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  2. #661


    Posts : 18
    8.1, 7, XP


    Hello Kari:

    Thank you for posting this process however, I do have a question or two.

    I recently purchase a custom built computer and the vendor will provide 5 years of technical support. This PC has an SSD drive and a 1Tbyte regular drive. Windows 8.1 was installed solely on the SSD drive and I asked the vendor's tech support people to either to do a fresh install of 8.1 following the defined process or alternately to follow the process for moving the User et al folders that you also described. They refused, stating this would create an non-standard installation and thereby they would not support it (or would even do it).

    My question is, "is their position justifiable?". Is there any reason that making such a change would cause problems if either process was followed and create a situation that could not be supported. I guess what I am asking here is that if I went to Microsoft to get support and they were able to recognize this particular configuration of Windows, would they support it or give me the same answer?

    Thank you for all you do.

    Frank

    Update 1.

    After reading through about 20 some odd pages of this thread I am realizing how far over my head I am. Fortunately my system is comparatively simple as it is new (no data files exist at this time) and whatever programs I have installed can easily be removed and re-installed. However, for the question I posted I need to qualify it, following @Kari's explicit warnings and recommendation, the only folder to be relocated off the SSD are the Profile folders (\Users and its subfolders, et al).

    Now that I understand a bit more of this process the next question I have is; is it possible to change the default drive letter ("C:" in my case) that is used when installing software (C:\Program Files ...(x86)) to my non-SSD drive letter assuming that I have created the same folders on it? I realize that I can Browse to them manually but it would make it more "idiot proof".

    Update 2

    I struck out the above question because after reading the entire thread it appears to me that my question was really just another way of attempting to relocate the program files folders which is a no-no, even though I would not have really moved the program files folders.

    After reading the entire thread I get the impression that MS would not categorize this configuration as being non-supported and in fact it was developed by MS for some earlier release and has since been "cloned/enhanced" to support other Windows versions by @Kari. I now suspect that my vendor's tech support people are not comfortable making these changes and have taken the simple way out.

    I would like to get a more positive confirmation that MS does not have a problem with this process and change thereby allowing me to go back and challenge their tech support people. Wile I now believe I can follow Kari's well described instructions I really want their people to do it so that I do not void my 5 year tech support.
    Last edited by Cheech; 14 Aug 2015 at 00:19. Reason: Update
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  3. #662


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Cheech View Post
    I do have a question or two.
    I think I could not answer you any better here as I have recently done answering another member at our sister site the Seven Forums, so I will ask you to read the conversation starting from this post: User Profiles - Create and Move During Windows 7 Installation - Page 96 - Windows 7 Help Forums

    That post is number #950 in the linked thread. Read all posts at least to post #957.

    Kari
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  4. #663


    Posts : 18
    8.1, 7, XP


    Thank you Kari, I did read it and I am convinced that MS would not have a problem supporting a system (if asked, which I shutter at ever thinking I need to do) that was customized using this method. Clearly this is a customization using tools and the process provided by MS that will not effect the operations of Windows.

    Now to convince my vendor so that he will do it or if not, allow me to do it while still honoring his support agreement.

    Please allow me some other questions.

    1. In one of the posts (may need to find it again) someone had applied a registry fix which it appeared that you "blessed". I don't recall the exact circumstances of the registry change but would like to know is it something that I should do as part of the process?

    2. After reading through this entire thread I acknowledge that you have spent an inordinate amount of time (and commend you for doing so) debugging what turns out to have been user problems caused by either/and, 1. not following the process/instructions, 2. doing something that you have specifically advised against or clearly stated that it would not work, must not do, ..., or 3. there were errors in the answer file (syntax, location, ...).

    In the event that I am informed by my vendor that he will continue to provide support for my system as long as I do the work and demonstrate that my system still functions after the fact, I would like to avoid making a mistake(s) that necessitate my requesting your assistance. Given that I am only slightly younger than Methuselah and somewhat prone to making errors I would like to ask your permission to submit to you for review/verification, 1. my current configuration, 2, what I want to do, 3. how I will go about doing it, and last but not least, 4. the necessary answer file, and do so before I undertake this process.

    My hope is should you agree to do such review it will allow for an early detection of potential problems thereby avoiding harder to fix problems that require my time to fix or do rework and more importantly, yours to do whatever trouble shooting necessary to find the problem. There is nothing more than I would like but to be able to report back to you that "Everything worked perfectly, thank you".
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  5. #664


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Cheech View Post
    In the event that I am informed by my vendor that he will continue to provide support for my system as long as I do the work and demonstrate that my system still functions after the fact, I would like to avoid making a mistake(s) that necessitate my requesting your assistance. Given that I am only slightly younger than Methuselah and somewhat prone to making errors I would like to ask your permission to submit to you for review/verification, 1. my current configuration, 2, what I want to do, 3. how I will go about doing it, and last but not least, 4. the necessary answer file, and do so before I undertake this process.

    My hope is should you agree to do such review it will allow for an early detection of potential problems thereby avoiding harder to fix problems that require my time to fix or do rework and more importantly, yours to do whatever trouble shooting necessary to find the problem. There is nothing more than I would like but to be able to report back to you that "Everything worked perfectly, thank you".
    I am not too young myself and feeling even older due too many ex-wives although they all claim it to be due passionate love for single malt and cigars in addition to general laziness

    I like the systematic approach of yours. I am happy if I can assist in any way. Just post your requests and answer files etc. here, I will do my best to tell you what I think of them.

    Although written to Windows 7, you might be interested in these threads on our sister site the Seven Forums as they apply to Windows 8, too:
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  6. #665


    Posts : 18
    8.1, 7, XP


    I am not too young myself and feeling even older due too many ex-wives although they all claim it to be due passionate love for single malt and cigars in addition to general laziness
    Been there, done that.


    I like the systematic approach of yours.
    After over 40 years in IT (on hardware that has now been designated as "dinosaurs" and software that is obsolete, archaic, crude, ...) I have learned something, albeit now mostly out of self-preservation as the years went by. It seems that most of what I could keep in my head and be confident on what I was doing , has now disappeared and uncertainty has crept in (that's an understatement, it is now upright and running).

    So much for my blather.



    Concerning the status with my vendor, thanks to the information you and others have provided in this thread I have disarmed their approach to solving this by the more simple but not permanent process of renaming and relocating provided under the folder's properties function. I have also sent the link to this site and the process is now being reviewed by their tech manager and should have their answer by Monday. Here's hoping.

    Now for a technical question that might be a bit off-topic but still related. Please keep in mind that I have zero experience with Win 8 as my other systems are Win 7 and XP ( even as a kid I liked dinosaurs) and things are different although not necessarily better.

    When I received my latest PC there was one local id (no pwd) on it. Rather than create a new one, and not thinking about the future need to move the User profiles off of my SSD, I chose to rename the one that was there. That seems to be mostly ok however, doing it in that manner did not rename the subfolder under the Users Folder (still on my C: drive) and no subfolder with the new name was created under the Users folder.

    Right clicking on that folder to bring up the context menu shows that there is no rename option, so at this point it appears there is a disconnect between the renamed Userid and the Users folder associated with it. This may or may not cause a problem with moving the profiles off the SSD, but regardless I would like to have it resolved.

    Might you have a suggestion(s) on how the best way to go about this would be appreciated?
    Last edited by Cheech; 16 Aug 2015 at 09:09.
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  7. #666


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Cheech View Post
    Might you have a suggestion(s) on how the best way to go about this would be appreciated?
    When a new user account is created in Windows, it's user profile folder is created in the main profile folder Users, by default located on root of the C: drive. For system integrity and functionality this folder name will remain named as it was at the moment of its creation and the name of it will not be changed even when the username assigned to that account is changed. This applies both to the initial user account created when Windows is installed and all subsequently created future user accounts.

    An example: If I install Windows on a new PC and initially create my user account naming it Kari, that's my Windows username and the name of my user profile folder. If I later on change my Windows username to AnAngryOldMan, my username will from that moment on be AnAngryOldMan but my data will still be stored in my user profile folder Kari. Again, some time later I decide to change my username to LazyGeek, my user profile remains located in Users\Kari.

    Basically this means that if you are not satisfied with the name of your user profile folder, the best thing to do is to create a new user account with admin rights, sign in to your old user account and copy your personal data from its user profile folder to an external location, sign out from the old account, sign in to new account, restore the personal data from the external backup to corresponding folders under the new user profile folder, and finally remove the old user account.

    The extra step in above method, to copy the data from old user to an external location and from there to the new user solves permission issues occurring occasionally when the data is copied directly from the old user profile to new user profile.

    Another method is told in this tutorial at the Seven Forums: User Profile Folder - Change User Account Folder Name - Windows 7 Help Forums

    Kari
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  8. #667


    Posts : 18
    8.1, 7, XP


    Thanks Kari.

    From the sounds of it I do not need to be concerned about fixing this before running the process to the move the profile folders off the SSD, and should I be anal enough to want to make things "pretty" I can do it afterwards.
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  9. #668


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Yes, exactly. If it's not disturbing you too much to have username A and your data in user profile folder B, there's no rush.
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  10. #669


    Posts : 18
    8.1, 7, XP


    Nothing I'll lose sleep over.
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