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User Profiles - Relocate to another Partition or Disk

  1. #600


    Posts : 2
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Hi Kari,
    I followed your guide and I successfully moved Users folder to a second disk. Now I have a question. If I do a backup of system partition, and would want to restore it, it will not include Users folders. Is there a way to create an image of Users folder to be used when restoring a system image?
    Best regards and my compliments for all your work!

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  2. #601


    Oregon
    Posts : 18
    Windows 8.1 full version


    Hi Kari,

    New here. I am going to be building a computer soon, and I am researching all I can before I get the parts and set it up to make sure I have a full knowledge of what and what not to do.

    I was pointed to this thread from another forum and am very glad I found it!! I have just read all 61 pages of this post and have not come across an answer for myself.

    Now to my question.

    I want to have an ssd drive for my os and 2 1tb HDD to set up in a raid 0. They will all be brand new drives and a full version of windows 8.1. I will have an external backup drive for my array. I want to follow these steps in this tutorial to move my users folder to my raid drives.

    First: Is this going to cause a problem?

    Second: I know I will need to have my array ready before I get to the sysprep portion. If you are familiar with it how do i go about doing this? Sorry if i should have posted in a different section, but it kind of is related to me wanting to do this tutorial.

    Do I keep my HDD array unplugged through the install process until I get to the sysprep portion (to keep windows from trying to partition any of it) then plug it in?

    Like I said I haven't built it yet so this is just more research on my part. I haven't had a computer for 5 years and am really looking forward to this project. It will also be a teaching tool for my 13 year old son. Father, son project. I would really like to hear your thoughts on this.

    I will also be upgrading to win 10 when it comes out and have already printed out the tutorial for that one to revert the users back for the upgrade. I have also printed out the instructions for the 8.1 sysprep. Armed and (hopefully) ready.

    Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by Griffscavern; 06 Feb 2015 at 21:17. Reason: wrong wording
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  3. #602


    Can anybody confirm that if your folders are already on the secondary drive that you're redirecting your user folders to, that it just uses the folders that are already there, so the first time that you click on your documents folder you see all of the documents that were already in there?

    I'm sure I'm just being paranoid but I'd like to be 100% sure that I won't lose any data.

    Thanks!
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  4. #603


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by fubo View Post
    Hi Kari,
    I followed your guide and I successfully moved Users folder to a second disk. Now I have a question. If I do a backup of system partition, and would want to restore it, it will not include Users folders. Is there a way to create an image of Users folder to be used when restoring a system image?
    Best regards and my compliments for all your work!
    Quote Originally Posted by Griffscavern View Post
    Hi Kari,

    New here. I am going to be building a computer soon, and I am researching all I can before I get the parts and set it up to make sure I have a full knowledge of what and what not to do.

    I was pointed to this thread from another forum and am very glad I found it!! I have just read all 61 pages of this post and have not come across an answer for myself.

    Now to my question.
    ...
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by ncadden View Post
    Can anybody confirm that if your folders are already on the secondary drive that you're redirecting your user folders to, that it just uses the folders that are already there, so the first time that you click on your documents folder you see all of the documents that were already in there?

    I'm sure I'm just being paranoid but I'd like to be 100% sure that I won't lose any data.

    Thanks!
    Hi geeks, welcome to the Eight Forums.

    I am sorry I have not noticed your posts earlier and that you have had to wait. Somehow I missed your posts. I will read your posts now and reply as soon as possible.

    Kari
    Last edited by Kari; 16 Feb 2015 at 22:46.
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  5. #604


    Oregon
    Posts : 18
    Windows 8.1 full version


    Thank you Kari. I've already realized that you take a break every once in a while from this tutorial. I knew eventually you would show up. It's also why I downloaded this forum app to my cell phone, and set it up so I get an email when a response is made to my posts. I am still in research mode, and am very anxious to follow this tutorial when I get my build completed. I am a very patient man. I really appreciate that you are so involved in this tutorial.
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  6. #605


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by fubo View Post
    Hi Kari,
    I followed your guide and I successfully moved Users folder to a second disk. Now I have a question. If I do a backup of system partition, and would want to restore it, it will not include Users folders. Is there a way to create an image of Users folder to be used when restoring a system image?
    Best regards and my compliments for all your work!
    All imaging programs I know let you select which partitions and disks you want to include in your system image, it's that simple. When imaging a system where the Users folder is relocated on drive X: just select it to be included in the image.

    Kari
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  7. #606


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Griffscavern View Post
    First: Is this going to cause a problem?
    I have not had any RAID systems in I guess it must be 10 years now. Although very subjective opinion, I think RAID is today obsolete, at least I cannot see any logical reasons to use RAID. This is due multiple factors, low price of storage media being one. I like the way this geek explains it, a president of a high end PC maker in his article titled Why RAID is (usually) a Terrible Idea:

    The underlying problem with RAID is the fact that by using it, you are making your computer significantly more complicated. Not only are you now relying on two hard drives to work properly, but you are also relying on a much more complicated controller (the RAID controller). If any one of those items has a problem, the array fails. If one hard drive has a problem even for a moment, you have a degraded array on your hands. At that point, you are relying on the RAID controller for error correction and array management, and the fact of the matter is that all (yes, all) RAID controllers onboard a motherboard are low quality. They have been added to the motherboard as an afterthought –- a feature added simply because the manufacturer knows that if they add any feature they can, they're more likely to sell their product. At at a time when nearly every modern motherboard has built in RAID, they have to offer it just to be considered as feature rich as their competitors.
    Full article: Why RAID is (usually) a Terrible Idea - Puget Custom Computers

    As it is, I have absolutely no idea how sysprepping and customizing a RAID system would work. Theoretically there should be no issues, especially when taking the "cautious" approach: disconnect all other disks except your system SSD, disconnect all other external devices except mouse, display and keyboard and install Windows 8. When you after last reboot arrive to Personalize screen, last step in OOBE before entering your initial first user account, press CTRl + SHIFT + F3 to reboot to Audit Mode. When there, shutdown the computer. Now connect your disks and other devices and start PC again, it will boot back to Audit Mode (every reboot in Audit Mode brings you back to Audit Mode if you have not specifically told Windows to boot to OOBE).

    Customize your Windows, sysprep and see what happens .

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffscavern View Post
    Second: I know I will need to have my array ready before I get to the sysprep portion. If you are familiar with it how do i go about doing this? Sorry if i should have posted in a different section, but it kind of is related to me wanting to do this tutorial.

    Do I keep my HDD array unplugged through the install process until I get to the sysprep portion (to keep windows from trying to partition any of it) then plug it in?
    See my answer above.

    Kari
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  8. #607


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by ncadden View Post
    Can anybody confirm that if your folders are already on the secondary drive that you're redirecting your user folders to, that it just uses the folders that are already there, so the first time that you click on your documents folder you see all of the documents that were already in there?

    I'm sure I'm just being paranoid but I'd like to be 100% sure that I won't lose any data.

    Thanks!
    I can absolutely not confirm that! That is so wrong as wrong can be.

    Although the new location, the drive you are relocating your Users folder don't have to be empty, it cannot contain any system folders from any previous Windows installation. Using this method you cannot move the C:\Users to an already existing folder and location. This method does not nor can it use your existing folders.

    An example. We have a drive X: where we have the Users folder form an old Windows 7 installation. Now we sysprep the new Windows 8 installation telling the system to move the Users folder to drive X:. This would automatically fail and you would have to start from beginning by installing Windows.

    The only correct way to do this is to move all old user files and folders from that drive X: to a backup location, then sysprep and move Users folder to drive X:, and finally restore the backed up user files back to X:.

    Kari
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  9. #608


    Oregon
    Posts : 18
    Windows 8.1 full version


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Griffscavern View Post
    First: Is this going to cause a problem?
    I have not had any RAID systems in I guess it must be 10 years now. Although very subjective opinion, I think RAID is today obsolete, at least I cannot see any logical reasons to use RAID. This is due multiple factors, low price of storage media being one. I like the way this geek explains it, a president of a high end PC maker in his article titled Why RAID is (usually) a Terrible Idea:

    The underlying problem with RAID is the fact that by using it, you are making your computer significantly more complicated. Not only are you now relying on two hard drives to work properly, but you are also relying on a much more complicated controller (the RAID controller). If any one of those items has a problem, the array fails. If one hard drive has a problem even for a moment, you have a degraded array on your hands. At that point, you are relying on the RAID controller for error correction and array management, and the fact of the matter is that all (yes, all) RAID controllers onboard a motherboard are low quality. They have been added to the motherboard as an afterthought - a feature added simply because the manufacturer knows that if they add any feature they can, they're more likely to sell their product. At at a time when nearly every modern motherboard has built in RAID, they have to offer it just to be considered as feature rich as their competitors.
    Full article: Why RAID is (usually) a Terrible Idea - Puget Custom Computers

    As it is, I have absolutely no idea how sysprepping and customizing a RAID system would work. Theoretically there should be no issues, especially when taking the "cautious" approach: disconnect all other disks except your system SSD, disconnect all other external devices except mouse, display and keyboard and install Windows 8. When you after last reboot arrive to Personalize screen, last step in OOBE before entering your initial first user account, press CTRl + SHIFT + F3 to reboot to Audit Mode. When there, shutdown the computer. Now connect your disks and other devices and start PC again, it will boot back to Audit Mode (every reboot in Audit Mode brings you back to Audit Mode if you have not specifically told Windows to boot to OOBE).

    Customize your Windows, sysprep and see what happens .

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffscavern View Post
    Second: I know I will need to have my array ready before I get to the sysprep portion. If you are familiar with it how do i go about doing this? Sorry if i should have posted in a different section, but it kind of is related to me wanting to do this tutorial.

    Do I keep my HDD array unplugged through the install process until I get to the sysprep portion (to keep windows from trying to partition any of it) then plug it in?
    See my answer above.

    Kari
    Thank you Kari. I appreciate the consideration of time you took to answer my question. In the long run, and after the last few weeks, I have decided against using a raid array. Even if it had been a desire of mine for the last 10 years. I think nostalgia, at least certain forms of it, are best left to memory. Raid is kind if useless in today's world, except maybe as a server application.

    Once again I thank you for your time.

    Sincerely,
    Ryan
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  10. #609


    England, United Kingdom
    Posts : 65
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    Hi Kari,

    I get this error when running the first command from command prompt:

    Code:
    C:\Windows\System32\Sysprep\Sysprep.exe /audit /reboot
    Sysprep was not able to validate your Windows installation. Review the log file at %WINDIR%\System32\Sysprep\Panther\setupact.log for details. After resolving the issue, use Sysprep to validate your installation again.
    When I open up the file in the message, it states this:

    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP ========================================================
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP === Beginning of a new sysprep run ===
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP ========================================================
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f004d] SYSPRP The time is now 2015-02-19 11:41:27
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f004e] SYSPRP Initialized SysPrep log at C:\Windows\System32\Sysprep\Panther
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f0054] SYSPRP ValidateUser:User has required privileges to sysprep machine
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f007e] SYSPRP FCreateTagFile:Tag file C:\Windows\System32\Sysprep\Sysprep_succeeded.tag does not already exist, no need to delete anything
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f005f] SYSPRP ParseCommands:Found supported command line option 'AUDIT'
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f005f] SYSPRP ParseCommands:Found supported command line option 'REBOOT'
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f00d7] SYSPRP WinMain:Pre-validing 'cleanup' internal providers.
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP RunExternalDlls:Running platform actions specified in action file for phase 3
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f00ba] SYSPRP SysprepSession::CreateSession: Successfully created instance with mount path C:, action file C:\Windows\System32\Sysprep\ActionFiles\Cleanup.xml, and mode <null>
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP SysprepSession::Validate: Beginning action execution from C:\Windows\System32\Sysprep\ActionFiles\Cleanup.xml
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP ActionPlatform::GetStringValue: Getting REG_SZ value SysprepMode under key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Sysprep
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP ActionPlatform::GetValue: Getting value SysprepMode under key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Sysprep
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Warning SYSPRP ActionPlatform::GetValue: Error from RegQueryValueEx on value SysprepMode under key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Sysprep; dwRet = 0x2
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP SysprepSession::CreateXPathForSelection: Sysprep mode in registry is <null>
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP ActionPlatform::GetStringValue: Getting REG_SZ value PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE under key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP ActionPlatform::GetValue: Getting value PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE under key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info SYSPRP SysprepSession::CreateXPathForSelection: Processor architecture in registry is AMD64
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Info [0x0f0080] SYSPRP ActionPlatform::LaunchModule: Found 'Sysprep_Clean_Validate_Opk' in C:\Windows\System32\spopk.dll; executing it
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Error [0x0f0036] SYSPRP spopk.dll:: Sysprep will not run on an upgraded OS. You can only run Sysprep on a custom (clean) install version of Windows.
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Error [0x0f0082] SYSPRP ActionPlatform::LaunchModule: Failure occurred while executing 'Sysprep_Clean_Validate_Opk' from C:\Windows\System32\spopk.dll; dwRet = 0x139f
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Error SYSPRP SysprepSession::Validate: Error in validating actions from C:\Windows\System32\Sysprep\ActionFiles\Cleanup.xml; dwRet = 0x139f
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Error SYSPRP RunPlatformActions:Failed while validating SysprepSession actions; dwRet = 0x139f
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Error [0x0f0070] SYSPRP RunExternalDlls:An error occurred while running registry sysprep DLLs, halting sysprep execution. dwRet = 0x139f
    2015-02-19 11:41:27, Error [0x0f00d8] SYSPRP WinMain:Hit failure while pre-validate sysprep cleanup internal providers; hr = 0x8007139f
    2015-02-19 11:46:02, Info [0x0f0052] SYSPRP Shutting down SysPrep log
    2015-02-19 11:46:02, Info [0x0f004d] SYSPRP The time is now 2015-02-19 11:46:02
    I'm assuming this should still work in 8.1?
    Last edited by chris98; 19 Feb 2015 at 07:08.
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