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User Profiles - Relocate to another Partition or Disk

  1. #500


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    See your question and responses to it where you originally posted it: User Profiles - Create and Move During Windows 7 Installation - Page 83 - Windows 7 Help Forums.

    What applies to Seven applies in this case Eight, too.

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  2. #501


    Posts : 4
    Win8

    Watch out! there's a deadline for updating Windows 8.1


    Hello Kari and fellow Windows8 folks,

    I used your tutorial here last year when installing Window8 on a SSD systemdrive and USERS on a HD.

    In a weird turn of events, I'm sure you have heard of Microsoft's June 10, 2014 deadline of the update for Windows 8.1 in order to push folks to make the "upgrade" to Windows 8.1 Update 1. see http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/mi...line-30-days-0 and Windows 8.1 Update Requirement Extended

    I'm wondering if the deadline to "upgrade" to Windows 8.1 update 1 could pose a problem for boot to SSD users.

    As you state in your helpful tutorial, Kari, upgrading from 7/8 to 8.1 creates some issues for folks using SSDs when their Users are on another partition. So here's my question since I have Windows 8 running on SSD as %systemdrive% and my USERS on a HD:

    Is upgrading from 8.1 to 8.1 Update 1 successful when the USERS are on a separate HD, so they don't need to exercise the tutorial with SYSPREPPING?

    I'm not on Win8.1, I am still on Windows 8, and planning on upgrading to Windows 8.1 using your tutorial, and plan to use your workaround for upgrades. But after I upgrade 8 to 8.1, should I immediately upgrade to Win8.1 update 1 while everything is on C drive, or does it matter? Have any of your Win8.1 SSD rigs required the SYSPREP/upgrade workaround when you went to Win8.1 update 1?

    Here are the options as I understand them for Win 8 users:

    OPTION 1: Windows 8 --> sysprep Users back to C--> Windows 8.1 then update immediately to 8.1 update 1, -->then sysprep to move USERS off %systemdrive%

    OPTION 2: Windows 8 --> sysprep back to C --> Windows 8.1,
    --> then sysprep to move USERS off %systemdrive% --> then update to Windows 8.1 update 1 later (but before the deadline)

    For Windows 8 folks, it seems easier/faster to use OPTION 1. Agree?

    Back to the Deadline story: I'm not sure what will happen to Win8 users after June 10, or ppl who have to clean install with Win8.1 later. Guess we will see, but it sure seems like MSFT is once again making some Product decision blunders by forcing ppl to adapt.
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  3. #502


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Windows 8.1 Update 1 is as the name says just an update. No actions are required, it is a normal update which comes through Windows Update and installs any other update, whether Users is relocated or not.

    I did not even notice getting it on few of my Windows 8.1 machines with relocated Users folder. One day it just was there.
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  4. #503


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chillblast View Post
    Although I originally used Windows 7 when I 'upgraded' to Windows 8 it was a completely clean install so my understanding is that I can use your tutorial to switch profile back to my C drive as without doing this my understanding is that any attempt to upgrade to Windows 8.1 will fail.
    Assuming having managed to upgrade to 8.1 then am I correct that your tutorial will not permit then changing profiles away from C (which is an SSD drive)? Is there any other tutorial for doing this after an upgrade?
    I am not aware of any option offered my Microsoft that allows move from Win 8 to 8.1 other than my online upgrade rather than a clean install. is that correct?
    Sorry so many questions and I hope you can help.
    Thanks
    Steve
    First, I thought I have seen a thread or tutorial here on how to clean install 8.1 using ISO image, but if I am correct and I really have seen such a thread, I am at least at the moment not able to find it. I'll keep looking .

    For those wanting to use this sysprep method to relocate the Users folder, these two rules can make things difficult when it's time to upgrade:
    1. Officially, you cannot sysprep an in-place upgraded Windows
    2. You cannot in-place upgrade Windows if Users folder (or any other system folder) is not in C:

    There is a workaround but I have to emphasize that this is an unofficial workaround. Worst case scenario: it does not work, meaning you have to reinstall clean.

    Workaround for upgrading Windows 8 to 8.1 when Users is relocated to other than C: drive:
    1. Make you individual user folders in X:\Users (X = drive where Users is located now) as empty as possible by moving up the data to external drive
    2. Relocate Users back to C: with sysprep by changing the location to C:\Users in answer file > FolderLocations tags
    3. Upgrade to Windows 8.1 (tutorial: Windows 8.1 - Update to from Windows 8)
    4. Follow instructions in this post to enable sysprep on an upgraded Windows
    5. Relocate Users to X: (any drive) following instructions in this tutorial
    6. Restore your user data from backup to respective folders

    I really need to emphasize the fact that although I have now done this a couple of times without issues, it's not guaranteed to work. backup everything first before beginning, so if you end doing a clean reinstall you have not lost your data.

    Kari
    Hey Kari,
    I am trying to follow your steps, but I do not have a Windows 8.1 iso file hanging around. Does this mean I will not be able to move the users back to my D drive? I don't believe that you can enter the audit mode while upgrading the Windows 8 to 8.1. So if we only have a Windows 8 iso are we out of luck, or is it possible to use that? All help is appreciated! Thanks.
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  5. #504


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by koneesha View Post
    Hey Kari,
    I am trying to follow your steps, but I do not have a Windows 8.1 iso file hanging around. Does this mean I will not be able to move the users back to my D drive? I don't believe that you can enter the audit mode while upgrading the Windows 8 to 8.1. So if we only have a Windows 8 iso are we out of luck, or is it possible to use that? All help is appreciated! Thanks.
    Hi Koneesha, welcome to the Eight Forums.

    You can always enter Audit Mode but that's not needed here, nor is the 8.1 ISO; if you already have Windows 8 installed, you get 8.1 from Windows Store.

    I have some difficulties to understand what is your issue now and what you are trying to do. Please be a bit more specific.

    Kari
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  6. #505


    Posts : 1
    Windows 8 Pro

    Update to 8.1 issue


    Hi Kari,

    So similar issue to many others it appears.
    I was successful with your installation trick while installing Windows 8 Pro, and was able to place my User folder on my D: drive (C: is local with the OS).
    When I run the first windows updates, they installed fine.
    When I attempted to install the Windows 8.1 upgrade from the windows store; it downloaded fully, then got to about 2/3 when installing and gave me the error below.
    Click image for larger version
    Am I able to complete the 8.1 upgrade?
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  7. #506


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Hi Rich, welcome to the Eight Forums.

    Usually it is a good idea to read at least a few latest posts in this or any other tutorial threads before posting, to see if the issue is known and solved already.

    This is posted just a few posts before yours (post #497, your post being #505):

    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chillblast View Post
    Although I originally used Windows 7 when I 'upgraded' to Windows 8 it was a completely clean install so my understanding is that I can use your tutorial to switch profile back to my C drive as without doing this my understanding is that any attempt to upgrade to Windows 8.1 will fail.
    Assuming having managed to upgrade to 8.1 then am I correct that your tutorial will not permit then changing profiles away from C (which is an SSD drive)? Is there any other tutorial for doing this after an upgrade?
    I am not aware of any option offered my Microsoft that allows move from Win 8 to 8.1 other than my online upgrade rather than a clean install. is that correct?
    Sorry so many questions and I hope you can help.
    Thanks
    Steve
    First, I thought I have seen a thread or tutorial here on how to clean install 8.1 using ISO image, but if I am correct and I really have seen such a thread, I am at least at the moment not able to find it. I'll keep looking .

    For those wanting to use this sysprep method to relocate the Users folder, these two rules can make things difficult when it's time to upgrade:
    1. Officially, you cannot sysprep an in-place upgraded Windows
    2. You cannot in-place upgrade Windows if Users folder (or any other system folder) is not in C:

    There is a workaround but I have to emphasize that this is an unofficial workaround. Worst case scenario: it does not work, meaning you have to reinstall clean.

    Workaround for upgrading Windows 8 to 8.1 when Users is relocated to other than C: drive:
    1. Make you individual user folders in X:\Users (X = drive where Users is located now) as empty as possible by moving up the data to external drive
    2. Relocate Users back to C: with sysprep by changing the location to C:\Users in answer file > FolderLocations tags
    3. Upgrade to Windows 8.1 (tutorial: Windows 8.1 - Update to from Windows 8)
    4. Follow instructions in this post to enable sysprep on an upgraded Windows
    5. Relocate Users to X: (any drive) following instructions in this tutorial
    6. Restore your user data from backup to respective folders

    I really need to emphasize the fact that although I have now done this a couple of times without issues, it's not guaranteed to work. backup everything first before beginning, so if you end doing a clean reinstall you have not lost your data.
    Kari
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  8. #507


    Hi Kari and the crew here. I'm also new on here. I have a slightly different need and will explain. My system crashed a couple of weeks ago due to either the RTC clock Freeze bug on my ASUS Gryphon-Z87 board (now fixed by BIOS update 2004 only last week) or by a power surge or both.

    Anyway with my original build (with 8.1) had my data set to E:\users but when I did the rebuild a few days ago including re-formatting the C: drive (SSD) I forgot to change the User area hence I now have the default setup of C:\users....

    And I have installed many apps back so they are pointing data there.

    So I have new data on C:\users and my old data (i.e. Photos, Music, Docs) on my 2Tb HDD at E:\users.

    My question is will following you procedure here be able to switch to E:\users and can I then copy across any new data from C:\users.

    I hope this is not too jumbled a question.

    Cheers Anton
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  9. #508


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by antonvs View Post
    Hi Kari and the crew here. I'm also new on here. I have a slightly different need and will explain. My system crashed a couple of weeks ago due to either the RTC clock Freeze bug on my ASUS Gryphon-Z87 board (now fixed by BIOS update 2004 only last week) or by a power surge or both.

    Anyway with my original build (with 8.1) had my data set to E:\users but when I did the rebuild a few days ago including re-formatting the C: drive (SSD) I forgot to change the User area hence I now have the default setup of C:\users....

    And I have installed many apps back so they are pointing data there.

    So I have new data on C:\users and my old data (i.e. Photos, Music, Docs) on my 2Tb HDD at E:\users.

    My question is will following you procedure here be able to switch to E:\users and can I then copy across any new data from C:\users.

    I hope this is not too jumbled a question.

    Cheers Anton
    Vic, AU
    Hi Anton, welcome to the Eight Forums.

    Simply follow the instructions as told in this tutorial starting from step 1.2. Please notice that as the drive you use for relocating Users (E: in your case) cannot contain any system folders from any previous installations for this procedure to work, you need to first wipe it clean by backing up your old data (E:\Users) to an external drive and formatting the drive (formatting not obligatory but recommend), then follow the procedure as told in tutorial to relocate Users, and last copy your old data from the backup drive back to E:\Users.

    As you have already data in C:\Users the procedure can take quite some time due the fact that sysprep has more data to relocate.

    Kari
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  10. #509


    Hi Kari and thanks for your response. Nothing in life is straight forward is it! I have spent two or three days re-installing software onto the new build into E:\program files and E:\program files (86) where I have been writing over old installs of the same apps from the previous build.

    Before your reply I was hoping that I would only have to rename E:\Users and create a new one for use with the new build. But you sound pretty definate in your instructions that I have to clear all folders on this drive not just the E:\Users.

    If this is indeed the case it leaves me with a dilemma:

    1. Do I leave a perfectly working system alone and continue to build, knowing that the big issue will be that one of the folders in C:\Users is my Dropbox account which can grow to 100Gb with my current account while my c: SSD drive is 120Gb

    2. If I leave as is and later try and swap the user folder to E: and it stuffs up will I then face loosing the 350Gb Flight Sim (FSX) installation I'm about to proceed with (the real reason for having this PC) and something like a months work to repeat.

    3. Start completely from scratch. Format and rebuild everything again, this time making sure to point the new build to storing Users on E:. (Still can't remember seeing this as an option during the install process which is why I missed doing it the first time).

    4. Give up technology and take up Lawn Bowls. lol

    Now should I choose to ignore option 4. above and go ahead with your Relocation advice, I notice the 2nd last line of your Relocate.xml script says:
    " <cpi..offlineImage cpi:source="wim:F:/sources/install.wim#Windows 8.1" xmlns:cpi="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:cpi" />"

    Does this mean I have to have the install DVD in the F: drive and if so there is a further complication. My boot DVD is Windows 8.0. After installing this I then did an upgrade to 8.1. Will this be an issue?

    Here is a link to a map of my folders on E:
    http://www.evernote.com/shard/s77/sh...7ea425612c1422

    Note that I have renamed E:\users to E:\users-old thinking that I would just have to create a new E:\Users for the answer file to work.

    Cheers Anton.
    Last edited by antonvs; 21 Jun 2014 at 02:39.
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