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User Profiles - Relocate to another Partition or Disk

  1. #200


    Posts : 5
    Win 8

    To each their own


    Hi Kari,
    I understood that there are so many problems when moving Program Data, Program Files, Program Files (x86) to a different Volume/(Drive) on 64bit machines .

    I had hoped this was not the case when these are moved to just another Partition on the same Volume/(Drive). {NOT Program Data} but as in {Program Files-Program Files(x86)} like when you assign another partition when installing a program to your system. It's path changes.

    I remember reading about the size of the program files (that you mentioned) from an earlier post in this same thread. (Page#12 - Post#111 & post#113, page#13 - post#122 and possible more). So I took a look at it again. This is close to the same conversation I've been trying to having with you. With the exception being in my case (Partition Vs. Drive). I thought taking this path would lead to somewhere other than what is said on (page#12 - post#113), Quote" It's a liability issue: If (and when) something goes wrong, I am on the safe side when I know I have warned against it. And in the Sevenforums (page#55 - post#541) Quote" I will not in any circumstances offer support or advice on this subject.

    Then the moving of the Program Data on (page#12 - post#111) of this tread, and Sevenforums tread- User Profiles - Create and Move During Windows 7 Installation (page#55 - post#545)
    It is common that an application's combined ProgramData and AppData takes more space than the app folder itself in Program Files.
    That moving the Program Data, Quote "Just for information, this gets even trickier on Windows 8 as Win 8 Store Apps and Store itself refuse to co-operate if ProgramData is relocated so my recommendation is to only relocate Users on Win 8". {source Sevenforum (page#55 - post#541)}.
    From the (WARNING BOX) on page#1 of this tread, DO NOT RELOCATE PROGRAMDATA! YOUR WINDOWS STORE AND APPS WILL NOT WORK IF PROGRAMDATA IS MOVED FROM ITS DEFAULT LOCATION.

    I personally don't like the Metro's features of Windows 8. So I'm not planning on using the metro style with the apps store or the apps or even getting a touch screen. Just like in Windows Vista with the Sidebar I'll shut it off till I Vlite-ed it out.
    So this is my preference as maybe with some other people here and there.
    I have found this though for anyone wanting to remove all the Built-in applications from Windows 8 :To remove an application with PowerShell you need to remove it in two places:

    1. Remove the provisioned package
    2. Remove the “installed” package from the administrator account

    To remove the provisioned package you use the command Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage and to remove the installed package you use the command Remove-AppxPackage.
    If you want to remove all of the built-in applications then you can use the following simple PowerShell commands:
    Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage –online

    Get-AppXPackage | Remove-AppxPackage

    So I guess what I'm saying basically is I want my Windows 8 broke to my liking and since you don't want any liability issues to arise from any help you could offer. Would you be so kind to point one in another direction for any information, knowledge, or methods on the subject.

    I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any manor, shape, or form. I respect a man for sticking to his beliefs and acting up on them. I also respect you for the knowledge and experience you have with computers. I'm going to use your set up of An Old School Geek’s approach to Installing & Setting Up a Windows PC.
    I'll not be being up this conversation to you again. I thank you for your help and answers and patience to me. Gass





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  2. #201


    Posts : 3
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Thanks for creating such an easy to follow tutorial to redirect user folders. I've used it on several machines now - as part of a fresh install and to move folders on existing machines and it works a treat!

    I'm one of the many users that took on board the advice commonly offed back in the days of DOS, that keeping OS and Program Data separate from User Data and have always made a separate partition for this purpose. Despite this universally accepted good practice MS has always insisted on making the default location for user data the C:\ drive (usually buried deep within an irritatingly complex folder hierarchy) and even Windows 8 offers the user no easy way to migrate the default user folders to a sensible location.

    I've known it was possible, but just not been able to justify the time to find out how to do it. It is to Microsoft's eternal shame that it's left to the good will of someone such as yourself to make this simple need accessible to those of us less well-endowed with the Gift of Geek.

    Now, what's the chance of persuading you to do something similar for one of the other niggles that's persistently bugged me for not being easily achievable, namely the procedure for customising the Default User profile so that new users are created with the right default settings rather than those chosen by MS (does anybody actually prefer looking for files in an array of icons rather than a list? ...and why would anybody want to see filenames without the extension?).

    It appears that they've made it a bit easier in Windows 8:
    How to Customize the Default User Profile by Using CopyProfile
    ...but it still involves a whole raft of deployment tools and procedures and learning how to use them. What's needed here is another crisp and clear Kari tutorial with a sample answer file that can be easily edited.

    Any chance of that happening?
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  3. #202


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Hi Jonnot, welcome to the Eight Forums.

    In editing the settings of default profile, I'm afraid the Copyprofile method is the easiest and the one giving best results at the moment. I have been toying with changing default settings in Audit Mode when doing a fresh clean install, before any user accounts are created, but it's a bit limited method; some settings do default to Windows defaults when exiting Audit Mode, even if the Generalize switch is not used.

    The CopyProfile method uses an answer file "hard code2 the settings to system. As far as I know it is, although quite a lot of work, the best way to do it.

    Kari
    Last edited by Kari; 07 Apr 2013 at 03:56.
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  4. #203


    Posts : 2
    Win 8 Pro


    I have used this process on multiple custom-built PC's (specifically, with a small SSD drive included primarily for the OS).

    Follow the directions and you will have the same results.
    This method for relocating local profiles on W8 is tried and true.
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  5. #204


    Posts : 3
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Hi Jonnot, welcome to the Eight Forums.

    In editing the settings of default profile, I'm afraid the Copyprofile method is the easiest and the one giving best results at the moment. I have been toying with changing default settings in Audit Mode when doing a fresh clean install, before any user accounts are created, but it's a bit limited method; some settings do default to Windows defaults when exiting Audit Mode, even if the Generalize switch is not used.

    The CopyProfile method uses an answer file "hard code2 the settings to system. As far as I know it is, although quite a lot of work, the best way to do it.

    Kari
    I wasn't suggesting there was a better way I just think that the MS articles are intimidating and unhelpful - They make the procedure appear more difficult than it is because their scope is so broad. Before I found your article on folder redirection I'd spent ages looking through MS articles that covered the products and procedures you used, but because there are so many things you can do with Sysprep and creating an answer file requires a good undersrstanding of the procedures, I got nowhere and was just about to give up when I found your tutorial. You haven't found any magical shortcuts, but you have put together a simple step-by-step guide anybody can use.

    What's needed is something similar for changing the default user settings without having to spend a week learning all the procedures. As far as I can see the procedure, as its name implies, does involve copying a profile with all the required changes made so it should be possible to simplify it to a step-by-step guide with a stage where the instruction is... 'Now edit the profile so that it looks like how you want a new user to look when created' followed by some further steps to complete the changes. As far as I can see theanswer file is part of the procedure to enable the copying procedure rather than a 'settings' file containing the actual changes.

    ...or have I got this all completely wrong?
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  6. #205


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    No, you have got it right. You got me interested, I might try to compose something .
    Last edited by Kari; 11 Apr 2013 at 12:36.
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  7. #206


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    No, you have got it right. You got me interested, I might try to compose something

    Jonnot, here it is: User Profile - Customize During Installation - Windows 7 Help Forums

    Kari
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  8. #207


    Posts : 1
    XP, Windows 7, Windows 8, Debian


    Thank you, Kari!
    This way is much cooler than my old Win7 method. There I moved the Users by hand and created a symlink.
    Sadly I installed my windows 8 pro update not knowing your tutorial.


    I'm new to sysprep, so I am suspicious to drive letters:


    From the point of view of a boot-CD(f.i. system recovery CD) according to diskpart there are three partitions on my hdd:
    * a small system partition called C: , hidden in Windows
    * a Windows Partition called D: , called C: in Windows
    * a big partition called E: intended for the ProfilesDirectory, D: in Windows
    The CD than is found as F:


    Running my new win8, I copied your xml-file to D:\relocate.xml, changed line 10 to "Windows 8 Pro",
    but than paused:
    If the system reboots, how does it look at the partitions?
    CD-boot-like I have to write in line 6 "E:\Users" and in line 10 "wim:F:/.." into D:\relocate.xml,
    windows-like I have to write in line 6 "D:\Users" and in line 10 "wim:E:/.." into D:\relocate.xml


    Thanks in advance
    Peter
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  9. #208


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Hi Peter, welcome to the Seven Forums.

    When you are in Audit Mode, it shows the correct drive letters. If your CD/DVD drive where the original install media is has the letter E: in Audit Mode, that's what you need to use to tell sysprep where to find install.wim, and accordingly if the drive where you want the User Profiles folder to be located is in Audit Mode D:, that is the drive you must use for <ProfilesDirectory>.

    Kari
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  10. #209


    Posts : 3
    Windows 8


    Kari, Thank you for posting this. I got started, and inserted my Windows 8 disk in my CD rom drive - and realized the drive wasn't showing up in audit mode. I exited audit mode - and now it won't show up in regular mode either. Device manager says there is an issue with the registry entry. I had written the first 8 lines of the script in notepad, but not done anything else - any idea where I can go from here?

    I'm going to post this on the general support thread too.

    Regards,

    Mary
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