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  1. #90


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    After you installed Windows under VMware Player on your internal disk (it usually ends up to be a folder in Documents), You can copy this folder to a USB or eSata device. If the device is a SSD, it performs perfectly under USB3 and eSata. From a 7200RPM HDD you still get acceptable performance. But HDDs on USB2 or a flash drive as external device (even a fast one on USB3) is not acceptable. A SSD on USB2 works so, so once it is going but boot and shutdown are very slow.

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  2. #91


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by bawldiggle View Post
    Have read through this thread following whs advice elswhere in sevenforums.com.

    As a beginner (doing my research first)

    Q1: Some questions to older posts ...
    VMware does not recognise eSATA ... my laptop is USB2 only.
    I am seriously considering eSATA (to replace a twitchy USB2 portable spinner) for my laptop data (most of it anyway)
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    Q2: Post #62 by Hopachi has made me little concerned about host-data loss (if I understand the implications correctly).
    My intended test machine is a basic Toshiba laptop (Satellite C665) USB2 only
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    Q3: If VMware Player is installed on my PC/laptop can guests be created on an external drive ? eg USB2 drives or eSATA
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    Q4: If I use a Win7 ISO for any guest, is the installed ISO a trial version.
    I have read elsewhere to make an image of the guest, and if the guest falls over I just re-instate the image ?
    - am I on the right path ?

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    GrayGhost2 on sevenforums.com

    I would appreciate any help ... thank you
    I'll try to answer here.
    From what I read above, you're either planning to use a real disk as a VM disk OR install a VM on an external disk. Those are two different things with different difficulty levels.
    In the second case VMs can be run from any disk as long as the virtual disk size limit is respected for the particular file system. In the first case (using physical disks in VMs) it gets more advanced and I wouldn't advise that if you are a beginner with VMs, and not all disks are allowed for the operation.

    Q1: The eSATA support isn't needed for a virtual disk, virtual disks can be used from any allowed disk with a supported filesystem by the OS. For a real disk, if the host OS detects it an can be used, VMware will be able to use it as well if the host can see it. I hope this is understandable text.

    Q2: VMware also shows a nice warning for that.
    That is logic: any program can write to the disk, if the VM gets full control of a full partition or disk, formats and deletions can be performed from there hence the risk of data loss (if for instance you use a disk that still contains valuable data). If a VM is infected with viruses is another good example: the disk gets used by the infected system but when the VM is shutdown the same disk will be visible and most likely useed by the host (indexation page filing user data read write) which could spread the viruses further in your main system. A virtual disk is simply a file that stores all the disk data inside but the host itself wouldn't be able to open it and spread the content without extra user knowledge and commands.

    Q3: Yes, give the VM a name and browse/specify a location. If the host can see the disk, Player that is installed on the host can use the disk of course.
    VMware KB: Creating a new virtual machine in VMware Player

    Q4: Is the first line a question as well? You can say that the OS is trial mode without a key and activation.
    You are on the right path, imaging works for VMs as well but it would be easier to directly backup the VM folder (turn the VM off first) or the VMDK disk directly on the host by simply copying it: if something messes up the VM, replace the messed up disk with the backuped disk. I'm mentioning this because VMware Player doesn't have a built in imaging solution. Or you could image the VM with Macrium or Acronis or whatever you use as well, but it would take more steps getting going that the simple copy/paste.

    Cheers!
    Hopachi
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  3. #92


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    I was reading this tutorial following my ongoing research into backup and restore options.

    So far I am making regular System Image backups through Windows for my 2 Dell laptops, mounting and exploring them (i.e. opening files, videos etc.). I'm also planning to do the same using another program.

    But I'm very aware that I have not fully tested the process - I don't know if my backups will work if needed. And I don't really want to try restoring them to their original location (my laptops).

    A suggestion was made that I could use a virtual machine to test these.

    So what I want to learn is:

    Can I use VMware Player to create a virtual machine (guest) on an external HDD that could then be used to test my backups?

    My Dell laptops are the same spec. Each has 2 cores and 4 logical processors, plus 4gb RAM and 500gb hard drive. Each has around 350gb free space currently. They came with Windows 8 preinstalled so I have no installation media.

    The external HDD is 1tb, some of which is used to store data so if I can use it I would need to set it up with this data protected (partition it?). It is NTFS formatted. More than half the HDD is empty.

    My System Image backups are generally around 80gb or less and currently stored on 2 different HDDs (i.e. not the one I am considering using for the test). I would only want to use the virtual machine to test the backups, which are run approx. twice a month. I would want to install newer backups over older ones so that I don't fill up the space on the virtual machine.

    As I would want to test the backups from both machines I am wondering if I would need to create 2 virtual machines (1 to emulate each laptop).

    So would my idea work OR is there an alternative way to achieve what I want?

    Thanks
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  4. #93


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    It's a lot easier. Create a small 1GB of 2GB partition and populate it with copies of some folders. Then image and restore that. Before you restore, modify the folders a bit so that you can clearly id the restored image.
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  5. #94


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Thank you for the suggestion whs.

    If I understand, you are saying I could create a small partition on my laptop to populate with folders, then take an image of this onto the external HDD and then restore this image to the laptop?

    I am not sure I understand what you mean about modifying the folders - are these the original ones in the small partition on the laptop which I would modify after making the system image, so I can see that they have changed once the restoration is complete?

    I can see that this would enable me to practice the process of imaging and restoring (which would be good for me to do), but what I was hoping to do was to be able to restore the complete laptop image in a virtual environment to check it is okay, and I don't think it achieves this .
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  6. #95


    Posts : 1,875
    Windows 10 Pro Prieview x64


    If you want to convert your existing laptop disk to a virtual disk image then you can use Disk2vhd
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  7. #96


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    I am not sure I understand what you mean about modifying the folders
    This is just a little added test to make sure it worked right. If you restore the image into the partition where the data was not changed, you don't know whether you got the result of the image restoration or the original partition. If you change the content of the partition before restore (but after imaging), then you know you got the image if the data that you deleted has been rstored.

    There is no need to restore the complete laptop content just for practicing.
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  8. #97


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    If you want to convert your existing laptop disk to a virtual disk image then you can use Disk2vhd
    I wanted to know if I can create a virtual disk environment that mirrors my laptop on an external HDD and then use this to restore a system image from my laptop. I think this is different
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  9. #98


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    This is just a little added test to make sure it worked right. If you restore the image into the partition where the data was not changed, you don't know whether you got the result of the image restoration or the original partition. If you change the content of the partition before restore (but after imaging), then you know you got the image if the data that you deleted has been rstored.

    There is no need to restore the complete laptop content just for practicing.
    Okay, I understand that, thanks.

    But I'm not really looking at just practicing. I've read comments that say there's no use making system images if they don't work when/if you need them, so I want to find a way that I can check that mine (yes, the whole laptop content) are okay and can be restored. I was hoping to find a method other than just restoring it straight back onto the laptop (when I would have to modify some files in between the image and restoration to know it had worked, as you say).

    So I thought if I had a virtual machine environment I could maybe restore onto that. I had thought it would be similar to starting with a clean OS (like a factory reinstall scenario) and then putting a recent system image onto it.

    But in the tutorial it talks about putting an OS onto the virtual machine, and I don't have installation media for this (Windows 8 preinstalled with no disks) so I'm not sure how I would achieve that.

    And I'm perfectly willing to accept that I may be getting myself totally confused by the whole process.

    In which case can someone please explain how those of you who regularly create system images check that these images can and will restore.
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  10. #99


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    In which case can someone please explain how those of you who regularly create system images check that these images can and will restore.
    I don't really check. I just keep enough images (father, grandfather, etc.) to make sure I have at least 1 recent image that is valid. But after appr. 100 restores, I have yet to find one that did not work.

    I do, however, check whether my recovery discs work. And that I do with the 2GB test partition.
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