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Windows Explorer Auto Arrange - Disable in Windows 8


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You're welcome. Odd little quirk isn't it.
 

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Shawn,

Having a partition image of Windows 8 before applying this patch allowed me to test it three times to confirm that Auto-arrange is indeed disabled globally after applying the patch.

Now the triple tested downsides, which made me want to not apply the patch to my permanent Win8 image:


1. If you want to set folder views globally, and not have to set folder views in every single folder you go to, as soon as you set folder views globally to match the folder you are in and you:

View > Options > View TAB > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

Now all the folders will have the same View, however Auto arrange now has to be applied individually to every folder. It is no longer applied globally. This is a huge problem. I am willing to test this again if I did not understand correctly how to go about this.


2. Before patching the system, go to folder containing music files only, and take a screen shot of Content View, like I did earlier.

After patching the system that same view will have distracting additional information under music files. I was not able to confirm that this workaround works: "Change the view in this order: Tiles > Content being careful not to hover over any other view option to have it change to it. If you go from one of the other views and directly to Content, it doesn't display the same."

Again, screen shots can confirm/deny this problem. I posted them a couple of posts ago to illustrate it.


The first problem kills the usability of the patch. I tested this problem when the original Windows 7 patch first came out as well and this was the reason why I never used the Win7 Auto-arrange disabling patch and had to spend more than 50% of time using WinXP partition instead of Win7 (to this day).



Of course, the patch is great for people who don't care about this or for temporarily applying it before reimaging the system back, my OS partition is small enough for me to reboot into Windows XP and reimage Windows 8 in a couple of minutes - less time than it takes for a short bathroom break. But if people don't image their system, they'll find out about this the hard way.


Or have I not tested these issues correctly?
 

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c627627,

It looks like you tested it good to me.

Q1) Unfortunately, when using "Apply to Folders" it does turn off auto arrange by default for the affected folders. There's not a way around it so far other than unchecking auto arrange again per affected folder. I added a note about this in the tutorial to make sure everyone knows about it. :(

Q2) It does have a different "Content" view with more info in it, but using "Change the view going in this order: Tiles -> Content being careful not to hover over any other view option to have it change to it. If you go from one of the other views and directly to Content, it doesn't display the same." has worked for me each time. I'm not sure why it hasn't for you.
 

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Thank you. If it's not too much trouble, using a system on which the patch was applied and on which
View > Options > View TAB > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK
was run,
would you post a small screen shot of Content view of a folder with only music files in it?
 

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No problem.

Here's the screenshots after using "Apply to Folders" for "Music" folders using "Tiles" then "Content" view.

Tiles.jpg
content.jpg



Here's "Content" view after using the Enable_Windows_8_Explorer_Auto_Arrange.bat.

Enabled_Content.jpg
 

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Thank you for doing that. So now to get to the bottom of this, to first define correct vs incorrect (as I see it):

Correct display, the way things should be is your screenshot labeled "after using the Enable_Windows_8_Explorer_Auto_Arrange.bat"

Incorrect display is the one above that.


The source of confusion is this: If you both use View > Options > View TAB > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

*and*

apply the patch - then you are stuck with the incorrect screenshot - and that's the problem because it messes up your music folder display by permanently displaying it incorrectly as defined by your screenshot 1.
 

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Yeah, it adds a few more details to the "Content" view using "Apply to Folders" and the "Disable Auto Arrange" .bat file.
 

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Thank you for helping me establish that this happens on every system and not just mine. There is the side effect of Content View option not being fully restored then. Some people may not think this is a big deal, but it ruins the music folder view. I have my entire CD collection transferred to PC and play songs directly from Windows folders, I can't be having additional info displayed besides song names, distracting me from quickly selecting songs I want to listen to.

The patch is still useful for a lot of people, there's no question about that, and once again, thanks for posting this.


So not being able to group files or folders on different parts of the screen will keep me booting back onto WinXP, frequently. This still remains #1 problem for me with Win7 and 8. But honestly, the way they made the GUI, even if side effects were not there, files/folders just do not move as smoothly and seamlessly as they do on Windows XP.


Quick Off Topic:

1. I have just finished my complicated Windows 8 install, and auto-arrange was the first thing I wanted to check in with you. Next is to see if they fixed the memory leak bug when error checking a large external drive. As you may know, they never fixed this under Windows 7. The system slows down after a while if you do an extended scan of your (large) external drive. Looking forward to testing that, was wondering if you knew?


2. Taking away the Search GUI is the second reason I am forced to reboot into WinXP. The only way I know a file or a folder, is or is not, present on the system is if I do a search from Windows XP using it's GUI Search:

Search.jpg

I have caught and took screen shots of Windows 7 search missing search terms that were actually present. I was not able to reliably repeat the missed searches but they happened often enough for me to conclude that the new search engine was totally unreliable in addition to being unusable by average users looking for files containing certain words or created on certain dates or having a certain size, etc.

Windows 7/8 search engine can do that, but without GUI like in WinXP, you need to memorize a book of commands on how to do a simple search that took less than a second on WinXP because it was a simple matter of CHECKING a search box option.
 

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You're welcome c627627.

I'm afraid I don't know about the memory leak issue.

The search issue would be something for a new thread though since it would take this one to far off topic.
 

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Thank you so much for the patch. I had an annoyance where I would right click and set a pic as desktop background and then file explorer would auto jump back to the top of the folder page, it was very annoying as I would have to either press the arrow button to get me back to the general area or I would have to scroll all the way back down to where I was before setting an image as desktop background. So far so good, I was just looking for that fix but I also like being able to arrange folders again. I never had that problem with Win 7 as far as I could remember.
 

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You're welcome hotrippr, and welcome to Eight Forums. :)
 

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First of all, thank you Brink to post this article article. And my question is about User Files. When I add some files in it, I can't use this option. Auto Arrange is still active. There is no way to use this option on our files added in User Files?

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Hello venomofdatruth, and welcome to Eight Forums.

When you add files into a folder, those files will be auto arranged by default. You will be able to arrange them how you like after they have been added though.
 

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Maybe I couldn't explain my problem. After I used your patch, I could disable the auto arrange and move the files. But when I sent couple of files to the User File (I mean the file exists with your user name on the desktop C:\Users\X (X, is your user name)) I can't change the order. Also I use tiles section but there is no chance to use 2 column? Do I have to use special tiles?
 

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In "Tiles" view, it's a bit harder to arrange how you like. You would have to drag a file/folder to an empty space at the bottom to leave a gap. From there you can drag and drop others to the gap or bottom to create more gaps to move more items around. Almost like the game Tetris.

In "Tiles" view you can only arrange them in any order, but not any position like in an icons view. I find using medium or large icons view works best to arrange them how you like.


Tiles.jpg
 

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Could you post a screenshot showing the same thing as mine to see what you have to see if that may help ID the issue?
 

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Do you have UAC set to at least the default level?

It sounds like the Disable_Windows_8_Explorer_Auto_Arrange.bat file in OPTION ONE didn't fully get applied.

Try running the .bat again to see if you are able to arrange them in any order you like afterwards. Be sure that you close all explorer windows before running it.
 

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