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Windows Blue: Microsoft’s Apple-style OS Strategy


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Like it or not, Microsoft Windows is the most-used operating system in the world. From international banks to suburban residences, the Windows platform has propelled the PC industry for years. Yes, there’s been the threat from Apple (Cupertino really scored big with the Vista debacle and the triumph of OS X Leopard). But one thing has remained at Microsoft: the Windows life cycle.
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Huh, there is this line "The one caveat: you’ll need a genuine copy of Windows 8 installed in order to upgrade to Blue. If not, then built-in apps and the Windows Store will cease to function." in the article.

Tantalisingly that sounds like if you install Blue by itself you get Windows 8 without any of the Metro... stuff. :D

Oh if only. :)
 

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I have to say, the article sounded a tad apple fanboy. The triumph of mac os over vista? Yeah, I guess the 500 million Windows 7 licenses sold and used on vista era PCs as well as new PCs are just a drop in the bucket of mac users... :rolleyes:

This is iffy but also at the same time familiar. Windows Phone 7 had the VERY same thing happen to it. It was released as a decent product, DEFINTELY needed improvements but was a great platform nonetheless. A year or so later, the Windows Phone 7.5 update was released that brought a LOT of UI changes and improvements to it. Now, it's going towards 7.8, which will offer more UIs enhancements and features, all free of cost. Then it has gone to Windows Phone 8...

But even though Windows Phone 7.5 a major update, it was still titled Windows Phone 7.
 

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I have to say, the article sounded a tad apple fanboy. The triumph of mac os over vista? Yeah, I guess the 500 million Windows 7 licenses sold and used on vista era PCs as well as new PCs are just a drop in the bucket of mac users... :rolleyes:
Well, keep in mind that businesses with enterprise agreements are lumped into those numbers as licenses sold...even if they are never used. My company has 300 licenses for Windows 7 and Office 2010. But I'd bet we haven't actually installed more than 150 copies of each.

Before OSX...Apple didn't have that much appeal. However, lots of people use and aspire to own an Apple product today. Regardless of their limited marketshare, there is no denying they have an appeal factor for many that simply didn't exist previously.
 

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I have to say, the article sounded a tad apple fanboy. The triumph of mac os over vista? Yeah, I guess the 500 million Windows 7 licenses sold and used on vista era PCs as well as new PCs are just a drop in the bucket of mac users... :rolleyes:
Well, keep in mind that businesses with enterprise agreements are lumped into those numbers as licenses sold...even if they are never used. My company has 300 licenses for Windows 7 and Office 2010. But I'd bet we haven't actually installed more than 150 copies of each.

Before OSX...Apple didn't have that much appeal. However, lots of people use and aspire to own an Apple product today. Regardless of their limited marketshare, there is no denying they have an appeal factor for many that simply didn't exist previously.
I think there is a stat out there that says that 625 million PCs are currently RUNNING Windows 7. In a video from UX Week 2012, the lead UX manager from Microsoft said that 500 million licenses were sold, some have been pirated.

Even still, mac os is a drop in the bucket without the array of software Windows has, without the wide swath of people knowledgeable about Windows, without a good price range from 300 dollars and up, without touch (for people that care and want touch on PCs), and without an updated or customizable UI. I'm sorry, but I'm not a silver/grey/white fan. If I can't have red and black, I will be upset.

Among other things....

Personally, I will say the mac hardware is pretty decent, build quality is superb. THAT you really do pay for, but not to that extreme. Honestly I think Windows 8 would pair a LOT more better on a mac than mac os itself. Why? The modern minimalist style of Windows 8 is a better compliment to the modern minimalist styling of apple hardware. Leather stitching, paper tear outs, metal, and shiny reflections is a real paradox to have on something that the most design flair is the apple logo....
 

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Hang on, is this not another way of saying Windows 8 isn't the finished article (and never will be! Just like XP was never finished), but will consistently require updates (about a year apart). But the difference is, that M$ would like you to pay for said updates instead of getting them for free.
 

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The article is right if they had made vista a much better product that didn't feel half-finished they wouldn't have lost some of that marketshare. However small it is, it is still crucial that they always stay on top of their game. Windows 7 was a much more polished product. However it arrived on the scene much later than it should have. Apple has an appeal where their products look nice and work well. Microsoft does not have that full control over their products. Although now they have realized this and have come up with their own product to show off their software such as the surface. For example at the same price same specs your HP is touchscreen looks much less polished and in my opinion uglier than an iMac. Yes it doesn't have touchscreen but even if you compare the all in ones, the windows counterpart looks lacking in appeal. I just want to see them release new product be it in the form of a service pack or another release more frequently I mean 2-3 years is nice but nothing like from xp to vista.
 

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Hang on, is this not another way of saying Windows 8 isn't the finished article (and never will be! Just like XP was never finished), but will consistently require updates (about a year apart). But the difference is, that M$ would like you to pay for said updates instead of getting them for free.
No piece of software is ever 100% complete in that there are never any ways to improve it or any bugs to address.
 

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If Microsoft is turning their attention away from software then, they really should do it this way:

Buy windows 8.
Get free upgrade for windows Blue.
Buy Windows Blue
get free upgrade for windows XXXX

I predict that apple will eventually give out free updates of their software since so many people buy the apps they more than make up for it.
 

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Hang on, is this not another way of saying Windows 8 isn't the finished article (and never will be! Just like XP was never finished), but will consistently require updates (about a year apart). But the difference is, that M$ would like you to pay for said updates instead of getting them for free.
The Windows Blue update is said to be a free update. It's also like how Windows Phone 7 users got the 7.5 update for free, and will get 7.8 for free as well as other features, again for free.

apple is no different, every 10.x update, it's usually 20 dollars. An upgrade from mac os 8 to 9, was about over 300 dollars.
 

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Hang on, is this not another way of saying Windows 8 isn't the finished article (and never will be! Just like XP was never finished), but will consistently require updates (about a year apart). But the difference is, that M$ would like you to pay for said updates instead of getting them for free.
The Windows Blue update is said to be a free update. It's also like how Windows Phone 7 users got the 7.5 update for free, and will get 7.8 for free as well as other features, again for free.

apple is no different, every 10.x update, it's usually 20 dollars. An upgrade from mac os 8 to 9, was about over 300 dollars.
So, it's just like I said then. Look, M$ aren't fooling anyone; their model is just the same as it's always been.. sell a multitude of units and reap the benefits from them until another big change is on the horizon. But if the change on the horizon isn't a big one then call it an update and make the people using it think that they've got a good deal out of it.
 

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Hang on, is this not another way of saying Windows 8 isn't the finished article (and never will be! Just like XP was never finished), but will consistently require updates (about a year apart). But the difference is, that M$ would like you to pay for said updates instead of getting them for free.
The Windows Blue update is said to be a free update. It's also like how Windows Phone 7 users got the 7.5 update for free, and will get 7.8 for free as well as other features, again for free.

apple is no different, every 10.x update, it's usually 20 dollars. An upgrade from mac os 8 to 9, was about over 300 dollars.
So, it's just like I said then. Look, M$ aren't fooling anyone; their model is just the same as it's always been.. sell a multitude of units and reap the benefits from them until another big change is on the horizon. But if the change on the horizon isn't a big one then call it an update and make the people using it think that they've got a good deal out of it.
Like a free service pack?

Last I've checked, Microsoft doesn't release updates like that.
 

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ImageRocket.net - 1356820036_Untitled.jpg

How legit is this?

EDIT: Source was here but they removed that screenshot. In this article you can see another screenshot with build 9220 in it and kernel version 6.2 .
Another visual difference is Windows logo color and window border. On my Windows 8 borders are thicker. It is possible that borders were altered via registry but who knows :)
 

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ImageRocket.net - 1356820036_Untitled.jpg

How legit is this?

EDIT: Source was here but they removed that screenshot. In this article you can see another screenshot with build 9220 in it and kernel version 6.2 .
Another visual difference is Windows logo color and window border. On my Windows 8 borders are thicker. It is possible that borders were altered via registry but who knows :)
The 6.3 doesn't seem logic. Fake I guess.
The other one in Chinese (6.2) is more real but ATM not sure if real.
For me, the numbers seem to high and it's too early.

They took them from 6.1.7600 to 6.1.7601 for sp1 in Windows 7
So the 6.3 is more like a Windows 9 than a sp1 (blue).

So 6.2.9220 sounds more real but still: it's a huge difference. In Win7 terms it's like sp20.
Is there so much to fix? Man! than it's serious. :shock:
 

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Did we at least know if Blue will be an update or a new OS ? As I already said, Windows 8 is supposed to be the last Microsoft OS name Windows.
 

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ImageRocket.net - 1356820036_Untitled.jpg

How legit is this?

EDIT: Source was here but they removed that screenshot. In this article you can see another screenshot with build 9220 in it and kernel version 6.2 .
Another visual difference is Windows logo color and window border. On my Windows 8 borders are thicker. It is possible that borders were altered via registry but who knows :)
The 6.3 doesn't seem logic. Fake I guess.
The other one in Chinese (6.2) is more real but ATM not sure if real.
For me, the numbers seem to high and it's too early.

They took them from 6.1.7600 to 6.1.7601 for sp1 in Windows 7
So the 6.3 is more like a Windows 9 than a sp1 (blue).

So 6.2.9220 sounds more real but still: it's a huge difference. In Win7 terms it's like sp20.
Is there so much to fix? Man! than it's serious. :shock:
Windows 8's build number is 9200, when logically it should had been 6.2.8800 or 8888 versus 9200.

But the NT kernel being notched up to 6.3? What?! This is Windows 9, not 8. Then again, lots of thing we don't know...

From what I've heard, the Desktop might actually get some cosmetic updates! :dinesh:
 

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Kernel version was my key point why it could be fake. On the other hand MS could switch to anual release of their OS so it would not be so weird to se new kernel version much more often.
Maybe it is the same situation like with web browsers. Look at Chrome and Firefox - for every little change they change version number.

Again, Win7 was 7600 (7601 SP1). Windows 8 is 9200. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if MS goes into five digit build number.
 

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Kernel version was my key point why it could be fake. On the other hand MS could switch to anual release of their OS so it would not be so weird to se new kernel version much more often.
Maybe it is the same situation like with web browsers. Look at Chrome and Firefox - for every little change they change version number.

Again, Win7 was 7600 (7601 SP1). Windows 8 is 9200. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if MS goes into five digit build number.
Guarantee you by Windows 9, the build number will definitely be 10900 or some such...
 

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From what little I have read it looks like Blue will be a lot of fixes plus some feature updates or additions. Rumors that MS wants to go to a yearly update to add new features and not wait on a new release of Windows. I guess we will find out this summer.

Jim :cool:
 

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They don't need a fix, they have to redesign the all thing to make it more appealing and more usable. This all thing look to have be design for prisoners, it's good if you have no other choice, well, I'm free and I want more freedom with my PC,Tablet or Phone.
 

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