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Windows 9: Much ado about little, given cloud shift

Microsoft will reportedly launch Windows 9 on September 30 and could ultimately be known as the last of the software giant's big bang operating system releases.

According to The Verge, Microsoft will feature "Threshold," or Windows 9 on Sept. 30. Mary Jo Foley reported last week that Microsoft would preview what will be Windows 9 later in September.

While the Windows 9 christening will kick off a march to a general public roll out in spring of 2015, it's worth outlining why the operating system is strategic today, but a mere transition product if you zoom out beyond two years.

The Wall Street Journal asked whether Microsoft needed all the hubbub around Windows 9. The short answer is yes — for now.

In a short-term lens, Windows 9 is critical because:

  • Microsoft needs to put the Windows 8 launch to bed to get us talking about something other than Vista analogies;
  • The software giant needs to refine Windows to be both touch and non-touch friendly;
  • Windows needs to hook into Microsoft's platform and productivity mantra;
  • And Windows needs to lay the groundwork for a faster development cadence as well as a cloud approach.

Read more at: Microsoft's Windows 9: Much ado about little, given cloud shift | ZDNet
 

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Wow. Charms > Devices > Print is annoying?

WinKey/P is annoying?

File tab > Print is annoying?

Hmmm.....

HG, This is a good one.

Hi there

Can't understand why Win+P is annoying to switch monitor displays or why Print functions are "troubling". At times we DO (or most people) need some print out - We can't always use Mobile phones for this type of stuff - in any case for travelling these days most airlines haven't got round to "M-Tickets" yet (Mobile electronic ones) - you still need to print an e-ticket.

I don't use the printer very often but I can't say that I can do 100% without it.

I'm Glad to see though in the UK a number of Railway companies have introduced "M-Tickets" -- much easier than carrying paper tickets around.

Most of these companies in the UK offer (or are about to offer) m-tickets.

Train Companies - ATOC - Association of Train Operating Companies, National Rail

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Can't understand why Win+P is annoying to switch monitor displays or why Print functions are "troubling". At times we DO (or most people) need some print out - We can't always use Mobile phones for this type of stuff - in any case for travelling these days most airlines haven't got round to "M-Tickets" yet (Mobile electronic ones) - you still need to print an e-ticket.
See post #20. :)
 

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If I understand with a cloud based OS you wouldn;t be able to use you computer without an internet connection...
That will be totaly impossible for me to use such a system.
As for paying a yearly $20 subscription instead of $200 upfront, I'm all for it. But I doubt it will be that cheap.
 

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Windows 9 is the bridge between Microsoft's past of big bang releases and a licensing model to one focused on the cloud


I really don't like that.

:(

Think enterprise for that one. They're not that foolish to go to a cloud based OS for consumers...yet. Think 15+ years on that one.
 

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The leaking water faucet has run dry with details on Windows 9.... :huh:

I can't wait to see what they come up with especially on the metro 2.0 side of things. It would be nice to see desktop improvements too, like new metro iconography and no more Aero! Ugh!

It's been said that if you take Windows 9 next to Windows 8, you will be able to distinguish the two right off the bat. Seems dramatic there.
 

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First off, the Headline of the article is complete malarkey BS.
It's a click magnet headline and trying to downplay Windows, still. Never ends.
But what else should we expect from ZDNet?

I think people get the idea of a Cloud OS confused.
And I think a lot of pseudo-techjurnos like to fear monger the idea, or just completely get it wrong for whatever reason.
Google tried pure CloudOS with ChromeBook and it failed miserably.

The over all OS is not cloud based. it is locally installed on the hard drive still
You are not running the OS over the internet like a Virtual Desktop Environment
The system can be disconnected and still run many Software and Apps
Office 365 is not a Cloud Office suite, but it has cloud features.
But is fully functional off-line.

Windows OS will be just as functional, except where App's and Live Tiles will require
internet connectivity to update and get information.

What they mean by subscription based is.....
$99 a year for up to 3 or 5 different devices, along with X amount of OneDrive space.
Just like Office 365 can be installed on 5 PC's or Mac's AND 5 Tablets or iPads.
You get 60min of Skype a month and 15G of OneDrive Space per person.
You have a central main account, then you can add others to the account and give them the ability to install office
They each get the Skype Minutes and 15G OneDrive space that is all theirs.

If I wanted to, I could sell you a license from my Office 365 Account for however much I wanted, but generally $10.
If you fail to pay me, I uninstall office from your system and delete your name and you lose access to Office, Skype and OneDrive.
If I am able to use up all 10 installs that I have,, it's $10 a year per system or per person.
It's a hell of a deal. And it's full blown Office 2013, everything.

So, in the long run it is cheaper for us (the consumer) and MS actually does make more money.

However, MS will need to get on the ball about how often they update.
Security updates would most likely come out the same on Patch Tuesdays.
Upgrades (Feature additions/changes) should come about every 6 months.

Anyway, I will digress here.

Windows 9 will be much ado about a lot, and will be a big deal.
 

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First off, the Headline of the article is complete malarkey BS.
It's a click magnet headline and trying to downplay Windows, still. Never ends.
But what else should we expect from ZDNet?

I think people get the idea of a Cloud OS confused.
And I think a lot of pseudo-techjurnos like to fear monger the idea, or just completely get it wrong for whatever reason.
Google tried pure CloudOS with ChromeBook and it failed miserably.

The over all OS is not cloud based. it is locally installed on the hard drive still
You are not running the OS over the internet like a Virtual Desktop Environment
The system can be disconnected and still run many Software and Apps
Office 365 is not a Cloud Office suite, but it has cloud features.
But is fully functional off-line.

Windows OS will be just as functional, except where App's and Live Tiles will require
internet connectivity to update and get information.

What they mean by subscription based is.....
$99 a year for up to 3 or 5 different devices, along with X amount of OneDrive space.
Just like Office 365 can be installed on 5 PC's or Mac's AND 5 Tablets or iPads.
You get 60min of Skype a month and 15G of OneDrive Space per person.
You have a central main account, then you can add others to the account and give them the ability to install office
They each get the Skype Minutes and 15G OneDrive space that is all theirs.

If I wanted to, I could sell you a license from my Office 365 Account for however much I wanted, but generally $10.
If you fail to pay me, I uninstall office from your system and delete your name and you lose access to Office, Skype and OneDrive.
If I am able to use up all 10 installs that I have,, it's $10 a year per system or per person.
It's a hell of a deal. And it's full blown Office 2013, everything.

So, in the long run it is cheaper for us (the consumer) and MS actually does make more money.

However, MS will need to get on the ball about how often they update.
Security updates would most likely come out the same on Patch Tuesdays.
Upgrades (Feature additions/changes) should come about every 6 months.

Anyway, I will digress here.

Windows 9 will be much ado about a lot, and will be a big deal.
I guess, I am a little confused by your post. I feel the author of the article was pretty spot on.

He said Windows 9 (short term) was needed to put Windows 8 to bed, but felt long term that Windows 10 is Microsoft's aim, to usher in a subscription based OS, focused, in conjunction with could services. At least that is how I read it.

Personally, I don't think Windows 9 will bring much to the table, other than menu eye candy, plus Cortana. Certainly not anything earth shattering, unique or new. Perhaps I will be wrong, unless all of it's versions would be free, now that would turn a few heads.
 

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Thank you Tepid for your complete understanding about how a subscription based model for Windows would work.

I figured with office 365 out there as an example, they would get it. But apparently not.
 

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So, in the long run it is cheaper for us (the consumer) and MS actually does make more money.
I guess that is true if you have multiple devices. But what about the many users that have only e.g. 1 laptop.
 

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So, in the long run it is cheaper for us (the consumer) and MS actually does make more money.
I guess that is true if you have multiple devices. But what about the many users that have only e.g. 1 laptop.

Then simply purchase it outright or use the subscription for as long as you want. So far as I know a subscription is not a time contract. Simply end it by not renewing and if desired obtain another with a new edition release.

I stand corrected on Office 365. I thought it was a cloud based edition. I see it's not. It's more of a cloud-centric edition.
 

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I might want a subscription for some devices... more likely to keep Windows 8.1 in PCs and move my note and small devices to Windows 9.
 

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Based on Windows 8 and 8.1, I, for one, am in no hurry to be Microsoft's guinea pig again....................I'm just going to relax and watch from the sidelines.
100% :ditto:
 

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I for my part will try out anything they come up with - in a virtual partition. It's fun to discover new things. And how else could I get an educated opinion whether the new product suits me or not - and that does not mean whether it is good or bad. Different people may come to different conclusions.
 

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Totally agree with you, whs. That's what's exciting about computing whether one is a novice or advanced geek performing as a hobby, an IT Pro or retired Pro, or just an every day user. It changes exponentially quicker than other industries.

Personally I'm just learning it and sometimes find it difficult to keep up with the changes. The building industry certainly didn't/doesn't change this fast! We've basically been building with the same principles since Roman times. Not so with computing. Something new just about every day. That's the thrill of it to me.

The forum is a great way to express viewpoints no matter what they are. :)
 

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Agree. Being in IT means I have to learn stuff even when I have no interest in it. I have to learn server 2012, I have to learn the new CentOS 7 Linux, I have to build and deploy Windows 7 and 8, along with Office 2010 and 2013. With iPhones coming into the organization, I have to be able to support them. Most of the time it's fun, but sometimes a drag. Fortunately I love to learn, play and experiment.
In the past 5 years, I've witnessed the biggest shift in server hosting that I have ever seen. We've moved nearly everything out of doing it yourself, to having it run in the Amazon cloud. We don't fix broken servers, we simply terminate them and spin up a new instance. All server builds are scripted, heck we barely do backups at all anymore. No separate dev, qa and prod environments, we just spin it up, via dns switch it from qa to prod, and respin a new qa from the newest prod.

It can really make your head spin sometimes.
 

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I must be showing my age! :cry: I just want something that works out of the box, does exactly what I want it to do, in the fastest, simplest way. I used to be like pparks:

Fortunately I love to learn, play and experiment.

And enjoyed challenges, but alas, W8 saga finished it for me.

Aside from a little window dressing, the only advantage I gained from it was a marginally faster OS after I got it configured as per W7. And the problems ... legion ... enough said.

Since I'm totally not interested, nor need the cloud, the only thing that would interest me would be something that is radically new and faster, like NBN fibre optic iNet, SSD HDs, etc.

Most stuff concerning apps & touch GUI devices I can learn from my i5s Apple mobile.

Hopefully I'll be able to glean enough from the experiences of others on this forum to decide if W9 interests me. So adios for the time being amigos! :party:

ps: As an aside, Windows 7 Forum membership is a tad under 300,000. W8 is 44,000 odd. That really says it all ... almost 700% more.
 
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I must be showing my age

C'mon Mustang. You cannot be that old. I am still enjoying that stuff at 76.
 

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Tepid said:
So, in the long run it is cheaper for us (the consumer)
$100 a year is not cheaper. Over 5 years it makes $500. Much more expensive. But there should be different subscriptions for different users, with the same OS. (Instead of different OSes)
 

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Tepid said:
So, in the long run it is cheaper for us (the consumer)
$100 a year is not cheaper. Over 5 years it makes $500. Much more expensive. But there should be different subscriptions for different users, with the same OS. (Instead of different OSes)

I assume you are talking about Office 365. $100 per year gives you 5 full installs of 2013 professional plus, which alone is $400 each. If you needed 2 copies that would have bee $800 all up front. And when a new version comes out, you have to buy again. With the sub, maybe you pay for just 2 years and then realize you no longer need it. Or you sell your other 3 installs for $20 each, making your cost now only $40 per year for $800 worth of software. Would take 20 years to break even, and it leaves more money in your pocket versus having to shell out all of the money up front like you do with conventional licensing.


If you only need word and Excel, better off just buying 1 copy of home and student. If you need the full suite And especially if you need at least 2 copies, Office 365 seems like a no-brainer.
 

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Tepid said:
So, in the long run it is cheaper for us (the consumer)
$100 a year is not cheaper. Over 5 years it makes $500. Much more expensive. But there should be different subscriptions for different users, with the same OS. (Instead of different OSes)

I think you are basing that off the current XP model
Where you only pay so much and use it forever. Never ever upgrading.
XP was never ever meant to last as long as it did, that was an huge MS screw-up
they had issues gleaning new OS tech and advancing the overall Windows Kernal and stuff
They had to reset a couple of times between XP SP2 and Vista
Otherwise, we would already be completely and fully on Windows 10 by now.
And looking at Windows 11 next year instead of 9.
It's a 3 year cycle for new OS/Office upgrades, give or take, and they are sticking to it now.
With the Kernal unification, there shouldn't ever be another 15 year old OS again.

So, if you go with upgrading all the time,, trust me,, do the math, it's cheaper.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    I7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
    Memory
    CORSAIR 8GB 2X4 D3 1866
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX680 4GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 24" LED VG248QE
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG E 256GB SSD 840 PRO -
    SAMSUNG E 120GB SSD840 -
    SEAGATE 1TB PIPELINE
    PSU
    CORSAIR GS800
    Case
    CORSAIR 600T
    Cooling
    CORSAIR HYDRO H100I LIQUID COOLER
    Keyboard
    THERMALTA CHALLENGER ULT GAME-KYBRD
    Mouse
    RAZER DEATHADDER GAME MS BLK-ED
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    APC 1000VA -
    LGELECOEM LG 14X SATA BD BURNER -
    CORSAIR SP120 Fans x 3 -
    NZXT 5.25 USB3 BAY CARD READER -
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