Windows 8: New "Protogon" filesystem could be the next big thing

Very interesting.
 

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Some people are saying that protogon partitions are faster and allow more space usage than NTFS.

Can anyone confirm that ?
 

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I've tried this, and I can confirm that it works. Pics to come later. You need to use an elevated command prompt and the /q switch, as shown in the referenced link, doesn't work. The command does work if you omit this switch.
 

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I've tried this, and I can confirm that it works. Pics to come later. You need to use an elevated command prompt and the /q switch, as shown in the referenced link, doesn't work. The command does work if you omit this switch.
Omitting the /q switch makes the format go through but the resulting drive is unusable. One gets all kinds of errors like unusable drive, would you like to format the drive, filesystem not recognized etc.

However, I think getting hold of a few files from the 7955 build should do the trick, lemme see...
 

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Update: Doesn't work. :(
 

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Oh well. Thanks for giving it a go and reporting back Dwarf. :)
 

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However, I think getting hold of a few files from the 7955 build should do the trick, lemme see...

It would be an interesting thing to try.

Let us know if you get something :)
 

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I'm going to give this a miss and stick with NTFS, as it is well-proven. Since messing around with Protogon, even though it was on separate drives to those containing my OSes, some apps that were working in WDP are no longer working, amongst them being Piano and Labyrinth. As such, I cannot recommend this file system. The principle might be good, but I think it requires more in-house testing and evaluation before the option of using it is included in a publically released OS.
 

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I'm going to give this a miss and stick with NTFS, as it is well-proven. Since messing around with Protogon, even though it was on separate drives to those containing my OSes, some apps that were working in WDP are no longer working, amongst them being Piano and Labyrinth. As such, I cannot recommend this file system. The principle might be good, but I think it requires more in-house testing and evaluation before the option of using it is included in a publically released OS.
Can you tell us exactly how you went about it because at least with the WDP files, the filesystem is seen as RAW and the drive is not usable even after format with protogon completed. The disk properties do not show the filesystem as protogon (its a blank). I'm going to try later today with 7955 files and a 2 gig non-OS partition but it would be interesting to know how it can be done natively in WDP.

Edit: no go with the 7955 files either, looked like the darned driver is broken in WDP.
 
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I first formatted a blank internal HDD to NTFS in Disk Management and assigned it as E. I then opened an elevated command prompt and entered the command [noparse]format e: /fs:protogon[/noparse]. After prompting for the volume name, and having input this, the command seemed to work and it appeared as though the disk was being formatted. However, at the end of the process where you are asked to input a volume label, the format failed (this happened whether a label was entered or not), and Disk Management showed the drive as RAW.

I also tried with a 2GB flash drive and got the same result. A 512MB device was reported as being too small.

I'll try an alternative way and report back, but, as I've stated above, I don't think this feature is ready for release yet. Or, perhaps it is, but as Steve Sinofsky has stated "...most of the stuff in Windows 8 is disabled right now...", and it could well be that once MS decide to fully enable it that it will work as it should. I would expect that to happen with the Beta release (WDP is still pre-Beta).
 

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Thank you, Dwarf, well peresented and very informative.
 

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I tried the alternative way, through Disk Part, and the operation, whilst appearing to go through, failed at the end leaving the disk as RAW.
 

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Good information :)

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