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rinconmike

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I just got a new computer with windows 7 ultimate. I decided to go ahead and buy the windows 8 upgrade for the $14.99. So I used the upgrade adviser to purchase. I also went ahead and made a USB install disk.

I have a couple of questions.

1. with the upgrade adviser, I selected to save files and settings. However, from what I read, I should do a clean install. Is it too late to change for a clean install? Will I be asked again later?

2. I have now changed my mind and want to hold off on upgrading, can I delete the ESD folder? Are there other upgrade adviser folders and files I should delete to remove it all?

3. Since I purchased the upgrade for $14.99, if I used the USB disk to do a clean install later, do I just enter the Win 7 Key that came with the machine when I am ready to upgrade?

4. Can I keep win 7 on this hard drive and install the upgrade on another hard drive and just swap drives in and out of the machine as I want to? This way, I can keep my win 7 as is ans slowly move to 8.

thanks,

Mike
 

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rinconmike said:
I just got a new computer with windows 7 ultimate. I decided to go ahead and buy the windows 8 upgrade for the $14.99. So I used the upgrade adviser to purchase. I also went ahead and made a USB install disk.

I have a couple of questions.

1. with the upgrade adviser, I selected to save files and settings. However, from what I read, I should do a clean install. Is it too late to change for a clean install? Will I be asked again later?

2. I have now changed my mind and want to hold off on upgrading, can I delete the ESD folder? Are there other upgrade adviser folders and files I should delete to remove it all?

You can a clean install anytime.

3. Since I purchased the upgrade for $14.99, if I used the USB disk to do a clean install later, do I just enter the Win 7 Key that came with the machine when I am ready to upgrade?

The Windows 7 key for installing Windows 7 not Windows 8.

4. Can I keep win 7 on this hard drive and install the upgrade on another hard drive and just swap drives in and out of the machine as I want to? This way, I can keep my win 7 as is ans slowly move to 8.

Not with the a Upgrade.

You can do a clean install, but you need to delete the Windows 7 install.


http://www.eightforums.com/general-discussion/10837-windows-8-eula.html

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What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.
 

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znod

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I just got a new computer with windows 7 ultimate. I decided to go ahead and buy the windows 8 upgrade for the $14.99. So I used the upgrade adviser to purchase. I also went ahead and made a USB install disk.

I have a couple of questions.

1. with the upgrade adviser, I selected to save files and settings. However, from what I read, I should do a clean install. Is it too late to change for a clean install? Will I be asked again later?

2. I have now changed my mind and want to hold off on upgrading, can I delete the ESD folder? Are there other upgrade adviser folders and files I should delete to remove it all?

3. Since I purchased the upgrade for $14.99, if I used the USB disk to do a clean install later, do I just enter the Win 7 Key that came with the machine when I am ready to upgrade?

4. Can I keep win 7 on this hard drive and install the upgrade on another hard drive and just swap drives in and out of the machine as I want to? This way, I can keep my win 7 as is ans slowly move to 8.

thanks,

Mike
Refer to theog's post for issues I don't address. Did you get a Win8 product key when purchasing your $14.99 upgrade? If yes, then read on. Otherwise, ignore what I say. If yes, then it probably would be good for you to have the upgrade ISO. Check out option 2 in this tutorial. Still, I think you can do what is indicated here given your installer or another install medium made using the ISO (preferable under the circumstances). If you upgrade, then your Win7 installation is toast under the Win8 EULA.
 

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thanks guys. I did get a windows 8 key when purchasing. I do have an extra window 7 key never used (I bought a bunch of upgrades when it came out and did not use all). When you install the Windows 8 as a clean install, will it ask for a windows 7 key to verify I have 7 or did it already do that with the upgrade advisor so if I want to go back to 7, I need to use one of my other keys.
 

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1. When you install the Windows 8 as a clean install, will it ask for a windows 7 key to verify I have 7 or did it already do that with the upgrade advisor

2. ... so if I want to go back to 7, I need to use one of my other keys.
You are very welcome.

On 1 above: No, it won't ask. I think that the in-place installer only checks to see if you have an upgradeable piece of software on your machine and identifies it's "bitness."

On 2 above: To use another upgrade key to reinstall Win7, I think you will need to reinstall an upgradeable earlier version of Windows. Under your circumstances, it seems to me that your would have the right to reinstall Win7 using a different upgrade product key. Actually, I am not sure it would matter which key you use, but I would use one never used before.
 

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Thanks again all. I am a little confused not only on some of the answers but also on what I may want to do.

I just got a new laptop (Dell Precision M6700) with windows 7 ultimate to replace a defective M6500 that also had Windows 7 Ultimate. The M6500 will no longer be used so I assume I can use that windows key if I wanted to on another machine (although I do not need it now).

I went ahead and used the windows 8 upgrade assistant on the M6700 to purchase the upgrade to 8 pro for 14.99. However, I am now not sure if I actually want to install it on the M6700. I am concerned that if I do, I will wish I never did, so that is why I asked if can I install it on another hard drive and just swap out the drives. I will not be using both 7 and 8 at the same time and if I like 8, I will stay with it. Or instead of two drives, I can image my 7, install the 8, and if I do not like 8, just go back to my image (I have Acronis True Image) - assuming 7 will still work?

In short, is the new windows 8 key tied to the windows 7 ultimate key on the machine I ran the upgrade assistant?

Can I use this win 8 upgrade on any windows 7 in the future? For example, if I do not decide to upgrade the M6700 to windows 8 but have another machine running win 7 pro that I want to upgrade instead?

Once a windows 7 machine is upgraded to windows 8, does it make that windows 7 key invalid meaning that it will not work if i tried to go back?



thanks,

Mike
 
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1. In short, is the new windows 8 key tied to the windows 7 ultimate key on the machine I ran the upgrade assistant?

2. Can I use this win 8 upgrade on any windows 7 in the future? For example, if I do not decide to upgrade the M6700 to windows 8 but have another machine running win 7 pro that I want to upgrade instead?

Once a windows 7 machine is upgraded to windows 8, does it make that windows 7 key invalid meaning that it will not work if i tried to go back?

thanks,

Mike
You are very welcome.

1. No. I think that the in-place installer only checks to see if you have an upgradeable piece of software on your machine and identifies it's "bitness."

2. Yes. It probably would be good for you to have the upgrade ISO. Check out option 2 in this tutorial. Still, I think you can do what is indicated here given your installer or another install medium made using the ISO (preferable under the circumstances, IMO). In other words, if you do what my second link indicates, then I'd create a new install medium using the ISO--just to make sure all is good.

3. I don't think the key is made invalid, per se. Activation could be a problem. But, if you want to reinstall Win7, given another legal upgrade key, then I'd use it. If you start with 2 valid/usable upgrade keys and upgrade to Win8, then you only have one more EULA consisten upgrade install to go.
 
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thanks again. I did make a usb bootable and will also make a disk. I also ordered one too so I have that coming. So all that is left if I want is to delete the files in your second link.

Also, if someone does a clean install on a new drive, how does the upgrade know you have windows 7, or would have you have install 7 first? Just curious.

thanks,

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rinconmike said:
The M6500 will no longer be used so I assume I can use that windows key if I wanted to on another machine (although I do not need it now).

The Dell Windows 7 install can only be used on that PC.


I just got a new laptop (Dell Precision M6700) with windows 7 ultimate to replace a defective M6500 that also had Windows 7 Ultimate.


In short, is the new windows 8 key tied to the windows 7 ultimate key on the machine I ran the upgrade assistant?

Can I use this win 8 upgrade on any windows 7 in the future? For example, if I do not decide to upgrade the M6700 to windows 8 but have another machine running win 7 pro that I want to upgrade instead?

Yes, it tied to that PC.


I went ahead and used the windows 8 upgrade assistant on the M6700 to purchase the upgrade to 8 pro for 14.99. However, I am now not sure if I actually want to install it on the M6700. I am concerned that if I do, I will wish I never did, so that is why I asked if can I install it on another hard drive and just swap out the drives. I will not be using both 7 and 8 at the same time and if I like 8, I will stay with it. Or instead of two drives, I can image my 7, install the 8, and if I do not like 8, just go back to my image (I have Acronis True Image) - assuming 7 will still work?

NO, you most delete the Windows 7 install.


You can do a clean install, but you need to delete the Windows 7 install.


http://www.eightforums.com/general-discussion/10837-windows-8-eula.html

Microsoft said:
What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.



Once a windows 7 machine is upgraded to windows 8, does it make that windows 7 key invalid meaning that it will not work if i tried to go back?

You can downgrade back to Windows 7.
 

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thanks again. I did make a usb bootable and will also make a disk. I also ordered one too so I have that coming. So all that is left if I want is to delete the files in your second link.

Also, if someone does a clean install on a new drive, how does the upgrade know you have windows 7, or would have you have install 7 first? Just curious.

thanks,

Mike
You are very welcome. How about clarifying how many keys of all types you have (including whether Win7 or Win8), what there sources were, and how they have been used to date.
 

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thanks again. I did make a usb bootable and will also make a disk. I also ordered one too so I have that coming. So all that is left if I want is to delete the files in your second link.

Also, if someone does a clean install on a new drive, how does the upgrade know you have windows 7, or would have you have install 7 first? Just curious.

thanks,

Mike
You are very welcome. How about clarifying how many keys of all types you have (including whether Win7 or Win8), what there sources were, and how they have been used to date.

I have two Win 7 pro upgrade keys I never used. When win 7 came out, I bought several from microsoft site through an offer and wound up not installing two of them.

I have a defective Dell M6500 that is no longer in use that had Win 7 Ultimate on it. I now have a M6700 with Windows 7 Ultimate on it (just delivered yesterday) and went ahead and purchased the win 8 pro upgrade through the upgrade assistant for the $14.99 on the M6700. I also ordered the DVD. I did make a bootable USB and still have the files on the M6700. I decided to do it now because the deal runs out at the end of the month (so I read) and for $14.99 I figured worth it even if I do not use it right away.

Right now I do not want to upgrade to 8. I am just enjoying the new machine (or trying to getting it set up like the old). However, I may in the future (maybe sooner than later) put 8 on the M6700. If I could play with it on another drive, I would; however, I do not want to mess up my win 7 for now. In another forum, someone said make an image of my drive with Win 7. Install 8. If I do not like 8, just image back with 7. I am concerned that if I do that, when I image back, 7 will not work or will be deactivated since I went ahead and installed 8. If doing this image does work, I figured why would it not installing 8 on a new drive just to play with it. If I like it, keep it in. If I do not, just go back to the other drive.

Another thought was to install it on another machine just to play with it (that has win 7 pro now) and if I like it, uninstall it, put 7 pro back on that other machine and then install on the M6700.

A different question, is it better to do a clean install or an upgrade? Dell support said clean install is better.

thanks,

Mike
 

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OK, thanks,

1. 2 unused Win7 upgrade keys.
2. 1 unused Win8 upgrade key obtained via online upgrade.

You are not running UEFI, right? Then, here is what I would do assuming you have an upgradable version of XP or Vista. I would "unplug" your Win7 install on the 6700 and then install the upgradeable XP or Vista on another drive. After doing so, I'd use the Win8 upgrade to do a clean install/upgrade of the XP or Vista install to Win8. Warning: the "bitness" of the OS's much match. Look at the note near the start of this tutorial to learn more about upgrading from XP or Vista to Win8.

Importantly, I am assuming that you have no way to install Win7 "legally" other than via an upgrade from an earlier Win OS. If you have a "legal" other way to install Win7 on the second drive, then do so and subsequently do a clean install/upgrade of Win7 to Win8 given proper "bitness."

Note that, if you behave consistently with the Win7 EULA (or the Win8 EULA), then you can't have two installations having the "same Win7 (or Win8) source" running at the same time. If you do what I would do successfully, then after installing Win8, "plug your Win7 install back in, and you should be able to go between the two installation by using your BIOS boot menu.
 

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ok. So I can take out my current drive with win 7 ultimate on it and put it on the side. Install a 64 bit XP on another drive (I think I have one somewhere and never used that too - but maybe not. The upgrade that to windows 8?

Right now I believe UEFI is turned off. However, in another forum, someone recommended to:

If you're going to do a clean install you should look at turning on UEFI, UEFI fast boot, and secure boot in the BIOS. You should do this before booting the Windows 8 install media. (If you want to boot your Windows 7 install again you will need to reverse your changes).


I am not sure what UEFU and Secure Boot does. More I need to read!!
:confused:

thanks,

Mike


 

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1. So I can take out my current drive with win 7 ultimate on it and put it on the side. Install a 64 bit XP on another drive (I think I have one somewhere and never used that too - but maybe not. The upgrade that to windows 8?

2. Right now I believe UEFI is turned off. However, in another forum, someone recommended to:

If you're going to do a clean install you should look at turning on UEFI, UEFI fast boot, and secure boot in the BIOS. You should do this before booting the Windows 8 install media. (If you want to boot your Windows 7 install again you will need to reverse your changes).


I am not sure what UEFU and Secure Boot does. More I need to read!!
:confused:

thanks,

Mike


1. Yes, but you don't have to remove the drive physically. Just "unplug" it. See the "note" part of the tutorial I linked.

2. Read up on those things. I think you may have enough going on without trying to get involved with UEFI. You can get a start on installing under UEFI here. You need to figure out if you currently are running under UEFI. I wouldn't want to try to mix the two (UEFI and legacy BIOS); doing so with confidence is beyond me. Be happy if you get things working as "we" are hoping without getting into UEFI usage. You won't miss much not using UEFI--mainly what can be pretty much faster boot times.
 

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OK, thanks,

1. 2 unused Win7 upgrade keys.
2. 1 unused Win8 upgrade key obtained via online upgrade.

You are not running UEFI, right? Then, here is what I would do assuming you have an upgradable version of XP or Vista. I would "unplug" your Win7 install on the 6700 and then install the upgradeable XP or Vista on another drive. After doing so, I'd use the Win8 upgrade to do a clean install/upgrade of the XP or Vista install to Win8. Warning: the "bitness" of the OS's much match. Look at the note near the start of this tutorial to learn more about upgrading from XP or Vista to Win8.

Importantly, I am assuming that you have no way to install Win7 "legally" other than via an upgrade from an earlier Win OS. If you have a "legal" other way to install Win7 on the second drive, then do so and subsequently do a clean install/upgrade of Win7 to Win8 given proper "bitness."

Note that, if you behave consistently with the Win7 EULA (or the Win8 EULA), then you can't have two installations having the "same Win7 (or Win8) source" running at the same time. If you do what I would do successfully, then after installing Win8, "plug your Win7 install back in, and you should be able to go between the two installation by using your BIOS boot menu.

No, you can not.

The Dell/MS 14.99 upgrade offer is for new Dell PC with Windows 7 only. Not for upgrading old installs of Win XP, Vista, Windows 7.

Windows 8 Upgrade Offer | Dell
 

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Yes, he'll have to get the $39.99 upgrade pronto if he wants to do what I suggested. I kept blowing by the upgrade he actually got to get him a solution. Thanks for getting me better on target. He can save his other upgrade for the 6700 if he wants, and use the one to come on maybe another machine in the future--after eliminating its original use.
 

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I don't think the forum rules support me answering that question. Sorry.
 

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