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Windows 8 in VMware Player


tonymarcus

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#1
Hello Guys,

I've made a copy of my Windows 8 installation to run as a Virtual Machine in VMware Player. It's telling me I need to reactivate with a new serial number as my key is in use. I really only plan to use it for testing tweaks and mods that might be risky for my proper Windows 8 install so it will hardly be used.

I can use the slmgr.vbs –rearm command to give me an extra 90 days, I'm just wondering what will happen when I run out of time, will the VM refuse to boot or can it be continued to be used.

Thanks

Tony
 

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Tepid

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#2
You will have to reinstall it, yes. you can not use the Key you have already used to activate your main PC.
You would need to buy another one.
 

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jimbo45

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Hi there
For testing VM's a better option might be to consider a TechNet subscription -- Depends on what you want to do.

W7 was better in a way for VM's as you didn't have to activate for 30 days --usually more than enough time for testing VM's. However Ms really needs to have better licensing systems for INDIVIDUALS who want to test and develop stuff without the quite large expense of a MSDN subscription - or even a TechNet pro subscription - which currently is fine but every year they seem to make it more restrictive so in the future -- who knows.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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tonymarcus

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#4
How do you go about getting one and how much is the subscription?
 

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    Samsung SMS27B970D
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    Antec P182
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    Zalman 9700NT
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    I did a fresh format and install of Windows 8 64 Bit Pro. Sorry but I couldn't live without a start button so I have installed the Start8 start menu which is great. I try sometimes not to use it but find metro frustrating to find programs as I have many. I will use Metro for apps only and desktop of serious computing.

pparks1

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How do you go about getting one and how much is the subscription?
You buy TechNet online. The cost of a standard sub is 199 for first year and 149 a yat to renew. Absolutely killer deal for the amount of software you get.

Just search for purchase TechNet subscription.
 

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Kari

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#6
How do you go about getting one and how much is the subscription?
You buy TechNet online. The cost of a standard sub is 199 for first year and 149 a yat to renew. Absolutely killer deal for the amount of software you get.

Just search for purchase TechNet subscription.
In UK and continental Europe, the Irish VAT 23% applies if no local VAT number can be given.

TechNet Standard
in UK £133.55 (with VAT £164.27) and in continental Europe €213.05 (with VAT €262.05), TechNet Professional in UK £234.21 (with VAT £288.08) and in continental Europe €373.64 (with VAT €459.58).

Kari
 

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tonymarcus

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#7
So with the subscription you can download any Microsoft product, What would happen if say you downloaded and installed Windows 7 and Office 2013 and you subscription expired, does the software stop working or is it a case you have to uninstall it?
 

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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit
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    Home Built System
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 2.66Ghz, Overclocked to 3.3Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS5
    Memory
    8GB XMS2 4GB DDR2 PC2-8500
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte 660GTX 2GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SMS27B970D
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
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    2xSamsung Spinpoint F1 750GB
    PSU
    Corsair 520HX
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    Zalman 9700NT
    Internet Speed
    12Mb/s
    Other Info
    I did a fresh format and install of Windows 8 64 Bit Pro. Sorry but I couldn't live without a start button so I have installed the Start8 start menu which is great. I try sometimes not to use it but find metro frustrating to find programs as I have many. I will use Metro for apps only and desktop of serious computing.

pparks1

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It continues to work and your keys remain valid, you just cannot get any new keys. You are supposed to use the software for testing and evaluation only. You are supposed to stop using it if you cancel, but they don't seem to force it.
 

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    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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whs

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I have Windows 8 installed under VMware - and only under VMware with Windows 7 as the host. I copy the VMware folder and run that copy as second system. That is possible because VMware is the system where Windows 8 is installed - and not a physical PC.

I went one step further and moved all of that to an external SSD attached via USB. Thus I can even carry it to another PC without any problems. This posting is done from such a Windows 8 installation.
 

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jimbo45

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I have Windows 8 installed under VMware - and only under VMware with Windows 7 as the host. I copy the VMware folder and run that copy as second system. That is possible because VMware is the system where Windows 8 is installed - and not a physical PC.

I went one step further and moved all of that to an external SSD attached via USB. Thus I can even carry it to another PC without any problems. This posting is done from such a Windows 8 installation.
Hi there
"Cloning" a VM won't require activation normally since the hardware is identical -- and therefore Windows doesn't detect a hardware change when the image is powered on .

Under the EULA though you mustn't use more than ONE copy at any one time -- i.e you can't run say 3 VM's concurrently even if they have the same configuration.

Note also that later versions of VMWARE (such as workstation version 9) tend to optimise the Host environment for running VM's -- and take note of actual hardware features such as the Host processor.

This will sometimes cause Windows VM's to require re-activation as even the VM will detect a hardware change (new processor) when running on a different machine.

Older versions don't do this so you "pays your money and takes your choice". - If you are prepared to pay for a small diminution in performance use Version 7 or version 8 when testing multiple W8 VM configurations.

However if you want to test things like 3-D graphics in VM's then you'll need Version 9 (or the equivalent FREE vmplayer version).

Incidentally running VMware workstation on Linux seems not to have problems of Windows 8 VM's detecting Hardware changes and therefore requesting re-activation.

I really think Ms needs some sort of license to cover testing in VM's -- even on TechNet a non enterprise version of W8 only allows 10 activations per key -- now this might sound a lot but if the activation gets triggered by TRIVIAL changes in the VM configuration then its bonkers.

Also a load of hobbyists might want to try out all sorts of hardware and some of these won't have the money for a TechNet subscription so there ought to be a sort of multipls TEST environment for W8.

W7 wasn't a problem as a VM since you got 30 days before you had to activate so you could get plenty of time to fiddle around and in a test environment re-installing Windows 7 on a VM isn't an issue. Windows 8 want activation straight away which makes it horrible for testing in VM environments unless you get Enterprise from TechNet and that needs a PRO subscription. -- IMO still good value for money - but not everybody can afford this and Ms gets a lot of "Indirect research" from hobbyists trying out all sorts of hardware and software -- what about "Old Billy himself" right in the beginning.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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whs

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Under the EULA though you mustn't use more than ONE copy at any one time -- i.e you can't run say 3 VM's concurrently even if they have the same configuration
That is correct. Thanks for adding that caveat.
 

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