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Windows 8 Bootloader


slopechz

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#1
My apologies if this as been asked already. I'm surprised there isn't more information on this on Google. I am dual booting Windows 7 and Windows 8 on their own partitions. I would like to add Ubuntu on a third partition. Three questions:

My understanding is that Grub will not pick up Windows 8 and Windows 7, only Windows 8. Is this correct?

If I select Windows 8 in Grub, will it give me the Windows 8 bootloader which includes Windows 7; and

Is there anyway to install Ubuntu into the Windows 8 bootloader?

I never had luck with Easybcd, but that might be an option, but would prefer not to. Also, I don't care for any kind of VM setup. Any and all info would be appreciated. Thanks guys!
 

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#2
I haven't played with *nix in a long time but this will help you add a *nix OS to the Windows 8 boot loader and do all sorts of other wonderful things without having to resort to getting all command happy:

Download EasyBCD 2.1.2 - NeoSmart Technologies
 

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I triple booted XP, Win 7 and Ubuntu using Grub. Every time I tried EasyBCD, thing would never work. I hear there is a beta for Win 8 but I have my doubts it will work as this software is wildly unreliable.
 

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I triple booted XP, Win 7 and Ubuntu using Grub. Every time I tried EasyBCD, thing would never work. I hear there is a beta for Win 8 but I have my doubts it will work as this software is wildly unreliable.
I've used it well on multiple machines from within and for Windows 8. I honestly have never seen anyone label it as unreliable before, even considering the countless scenarios I've seen it applied to.
 

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I triple booted XP, Win 7 and Ubuntu using Grub. Every time I tried EasyBCD, thing would never work. I hear there is a beta for Win 8 but I have my doubts it will work as this software is wildly unreliable.
I've used it well on multiple machines from within and for Windows 8. I honestly have never seen anyone label it as unreliable before, even considering the countless scenarios I've seen it applied to.
What advise can you give me to make the scenario I propose work? It has been two years since I last tried EasyBCD.
 

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I haven't played with *nix in a long time but this will help you add a *nix OS to the Windows 8 boot loader and do all sorts of other wonderful things without having to resort to getting all command happy:

Download EasyBCD 2.1.2 - NeoSmart Technologies
Thanks for that. They go into a dual boot option, but not a triple boot option. I guess my question is would EasyBCD would be installed in Windows 8? When installing Ubuntu, what do I do with Grub ?

I have never had luck with this software - sorry if my questions are on the simple side.
 

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Hello

I didn't tried it in Windows 8 but on Ubuntu website you can download the installer of ubuntu from within windows.

Download | Ubuntu

This way it uses the windows bootloader instead of grub. Ubuntu is added in the windows software list "add remove programs" in control panel and can be uninstalled from within windows.


Cheers
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Hello

I didn't tried it in Windows 8 but on Ubuntu website you can download the installer of ubuntu from within windows.

Download | Ubuntu

This way it uses the windows bootloader instead of grub. Ubuntu is added in the windows software list "add remove programs" in control panel and can be uninstalled from within windows.


Cheers
Hopachi
Yup, that is one way when it works, lol. Seriously some have problems with WUBI (like me).
 

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slopechz,

You're right.
It worked until I had to reboot. Then it hangs (permanently) at copying files. Not good. We'll see if they fix it in later versions but for now, I'm not really sure what will work better than easybcd.

Thanks
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It work on me, Triple Boot (Windows 7, Windows 8, Ubuntu 10.10).:roflmao:
 

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It work on me, Triple Boot (Windows 7, Windows 8, Ubuntu 10.10).:roflmao:
Well, I need to give credit to all of you. It does work, although I get the Windows 8 bootloader. The first time I have been able to get EasyBCD to work flawlessly. Thanks!
 

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The problem is that the system reboots for win 7 and Ubuntu. Kinda annoying. Oh well.
 

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That's a windows 8 "feature" - the reboot for other OSs. I have one 32-bit Windows 8 that loads from the Windows 7 (64-bit) Bootloader, without the reboots. I have another 64-bit Windows 8 installation on the same machine, which loads from the Windows 8 bootloader, with subsequent boots via the Windows 8 bootup screen and then reboots to the next OS e.g. for Windows 7 as you describe.

In the past, the Ubuntu Grub bootloader chainloaded Windows 7 gracefully, unless you also had XP also booting and had to reload that due to some problem - that then screwed everything up until you next repair-installed Windows 7, and then fixed Grub by booting from an Ubuntu install disk and reinstalled Grub to the Linux partition, rewriting the mbr, I think.
 

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#18
I think that is a major flaw with Windows 8. Hopefully they rethink that issue and change it for the final release.
 

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By the way,[FONT=arial, sans-serif] i[/FONT]f I want to remove Windows 8, what is the best way to go about it? I understand how to do it if it was installed in Windows 7. Did I make a mistake by installing EasyBCD in Window 8? I was under the impression it had to be installed in Windows 8 for the bootloader to show all three operating systems.

Thanks guys.
 

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#20
I suppose you can use EasyBCD to restore the Win7 bootloader in both Win8 and Win7 as it would give the same effect. It simply overwrites the existing bootloader with the Windows 7 one. Upon booting you will have the old bootloader and inside Win7 you can delete the Win8 partition to get rid of the OS.

You can always try to use Visual BCD Editor if EasyBCD doesn't solve your problems.
 

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